An initial vote on a constitution

[Demrepdan]

1.) Bicameral....but the Senate should have most of the power...the House should just be for fun
2.) Popular Vote...until we can work out a GOOD system in which EVERYONE can agree upon for an Electoral College. (Doing the EV by Senators is a BAAAADDD idea) If we ever work out a good sytem then we will simply amend the constitution...
3.) 5 regions....regions must be EQUALLY divided....each U.S. region must have the same number of states as the other.....and we can't have that with 6 regions, people.....do the math. (Also....MAYBE we should have ONE international region...although I do agree with of_thisnation..however, I realize we must not leave out the members of the forum who are outside of the U.S....but we don't need a bunch of international regions....one is enough..if any at all.....as of_thisnation said....most international members have chosen an avatar from the US....isnt that enough?).
4.) There should be Governors...to appoint vacated Senate seats.......all other powers FOR the Governor should be decided by the respective regions....the Governors shouldn't have much federal power if any...they're basically a figure head...with little power......
5.) DEFINITLY....look at all the problems we had during the last election...we need ORDER here...and if there is ever a dispute as to how something should be done it should be decided by the Supreme Court...which should consist of no LESS than 3 members....however I prefer 5....


Also Note: I will keep a close eye on this thread.....and once everyone has responded and given their opinons....I shall change my Forum Constitution accordingly.....

[Platypus]

1. bicameral, wth the house of Reps being worthless
2. See my proposal in the convention thread.
3. 5 regions
4. Either no, or worthless positions
5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

[MAS117]

1.) Bicameral....but the Senate should have most of the power...the House should just be for fun
2.) Popular Vote...until we can work out a GOOD system in which EVERYONE can agree upon for an Electoral College. (Doing the EV by Senators is a BAAAADDD idea) If we ever work out a good sytem then we will simply amend the constitution...
3.) 5 regions....regions must be EQUALLY divided....each U.S. region must have the same number of states as the other.....and we can't have that with 6 regions, people.....do the math. (Also....MAYBE we should have ONE international region...although I do agree with of_thisnation..however, I realize we must not leave out the members of the forum who are outside of the U.S....but we don't need a bunch of international regions....one is enough..if any at all.....as of_thisnation said....most international members have chosen an avatar from the US....isnt that enough?).
4.) There should be Governors...to appoint vacated Senate seats.......all other powers FOR the Governor should be decided by the respective regions....the Governors shouldn't have much federal power if any...they're basically a figure head...with little power......
5.) DEFINITLY....look at all the problems we had during the last election...we need ORDER here...and if there is ever a dispute as to how something should be done it should be decided by the Supreme Court...which should consist of no LESS than 3 members....however I prefer 5....


Also Note: I will keep a close eye on this thread.....and once everyone has responded and given their opinons....I shall change my Forum Constitution accordingly.....

dan you said that you should have a House for fun. we dont need one, all it does it confuses people already mroe then they are. a senate is fine

[dunn]

5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

just call him a judge....

[dunn]

Int'l regions are a bad idea because they already have chosen a US state (and can use that) and all of the Int'l members here seem to lean to the left -- that's not very fair for republicans)

true

[Platypus]

5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

just call him a judge....

No, because they would run the game, by posting events, keeping track records, and having basic control over enforcing the rules. I think our judiciary, if we have one, ought to consst of a member of all parties, plus the Moderator, and possibly Dave too.

[dunn]

5. No, we need a game moderator who will keep the rules etc.

just call him a judge....

No, because they would run the game, by posting events, keeping track records, and having basic control over enforcing the rules. I think our judiciary, if we have one, ought to consst of a member of all parties, plus the Moderator, and possibly Dave too.

Dave, I think is too busy. He is our god y'know, the ultimative judge

[minionofmidas]

1. Uni
2. PV
(the only EV proposal I know that is at all acceptable is the Progressive Party's, therefore the order of voting forces me to vote PV here)
3. 5 Regions, no international region
4. no
5. yes, 3-member

If Governors and Representatives have no constitutional rank, that makes it possible for people without an office to just call themselves governors, as they did during the first election campaign.

[dunn]

1. Uni
2. PV
(the only EV proposal I know that is at all acceptable is the Progressive Party's, therefore the order of voting forces me to vote PV here)
3. 5 Regions
4. no
5. yes, 3-member

If Governors and Representatives have no constitutional rank, that makes it possible for people without an office to just call themselves governors, as they did during the first election campaign.

Right.

[Gustaf]

1. Unicameral, of course.

The others I will have to think about first...

[Emsworth]

We seem to have progressed, but not sufficiently to reach a formal decision. Therefore, I think that the Convention's first vote should be on the nature of the legislature. If there are no objections, then I will open a new thread for the purpose of creating a formal vote on the matter, and within some number of days, if there is support, then we can consider the proposal in question to be officially adopted by this Convention.

[Emsworth]

We seem to have progressed, but not sufficiently to reach a formal decision. Therefore, I think that the Convention's first vote should be on the nature of the legislature. If there are no objections, then I will open a new thread for the purpose of creating a formal vote on the matter, and within some number of days, if there is support, then we can consider the proposal in question to be officially adopted by this Convention.

I've changed my mind on this matter. It seems that the present vote is already a formal one, and that it has a 72-hour voting period, which expires at about 7:30 pm on March 10.

[12th Doctor]

1. Uni
2. PV
(the only EV proposal I know that is at all acceptable is the Progressive Party's, therefore the order of voting forces me to vote PV here)
3. 5 Regions
4. no
5. yes, 3-member

If Governors and Representatives have no constitutional rank, that makes it possible for people without an office to just call themselves governors, as they did during the first election campaign.

Right.

Sp let them.  It's a way that people who don't have an acctual elected possition can run for President or Senate.  I think that Reps and Govs should just go to anyone who wants it but have no real power.

[Emsworth]

1. Uni
2. PV
(the only EV proposal I know that is at all acceptable is the Progressive Party's, therefore the order of voting forces me to vote PV here)
3. 5 Regions
4. no
5. yes, 3-member

If Governors and Representatives have no constitutional rank, that makes it possible for people without an office to just call themselves governors, as they did during the first election campaign.

Right.

Sp let them.  It's a way that people who don't have an acctual elected possition can run for President or Senate.  I think that Reps and Govs should just go to anyone who wants it but have no real power.

I think that this is unnecessarily complex. If Representatives and Governors have no power, then what is the point of them? They only serve to confuse the newer voters. Furthermore, dividing the positions amongst the various persons does seem to discourage competition, which does make fantasy elections rather purposeless. I oppose Representatives in any case, but I might support Governors whose sole power is to count the votes within the region; however, I am against Governors with no power at all.

[dunn]

We seem to have progressed, but not sufficiently to reach a formal decision. Therefore, I think that the Convention's first vote should be on the nature of the legislature. If there are no objections, then I will open a new thread for the purpose of creating a formal vote on the matter, and within some number of days, if there is support, then we can consider the proposal in question to be officially adopted by this Convention.

I've changed my mind on this matter. It seems that the present vote is already a formal one, and that it has a 72-hour voting period, which expires at about 7:30 pm on March 10.

true indeed

[MAS117]

Im for Governors with limited powers, and aboslutely no House, there only should be a Senate. However, you need Governors to oversee the overall region

[Emsworth]

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What, other than elections, would the Governors oversee under your proposal?

[MAS117]

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What, other than elections, would the Governors oversee under your proposal?

Everyday day to day issues among the region. I think that locally the Governors can have authority within the confines of the region but at a Federal level the power is less then nothing.

[Peter]

Everyday day to day issues among the region. I think that locally the Governors can have authority within the confines of the region but at a Federal level the power is less then nothing.

What exactly are these day to day issues in this fantasy environment - we're not trying to mimic reality exactly here - just provide a fun facsimile

[Gustaf]

Everyday day to day issues among the region. I think that locally the Governors can have authority within the confines of the region but at a Federal level the power is less then nothing.

What exactly are these day to day issues in this fantasy environment - we're not trying to mimic reality exactly here - just provide a fun facsimile

VERY GOOD POINT! I've been trying to hint this for some time now...

[Gustaf]

The time limist forces me to start voting now.

2. I'll go for PV, b/c of the unclearness of the EV alternative.

3. 5 regions.

4 and 5. Good for fun, but no official power to these positions.

[dunn]

Everyday day to day issues among the region. I think that locally the Governors can have authority within the confines of the region but at a Federal level the power is less then nothing.

What exactly are these day to day issues in this fantasy environment - we're not trying to mimic reality exactly here - just provide a fun facsimile

VERY GOOD POINT! I've been trying to hint this for some time now...

me too

[Emsworth]

The results so far are:

Question 1: Unicameralism v. Bicameralism
For Unicameralism (12):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For Bicameralism (3):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)

Question 2: Popular v. Electoral Votes
For PV (9):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For EV (5):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- supersoulty (R-PA)

Question 3: Regions
5 US + 0 Intl (7):
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
6 US + 0 Intl (2):
- dunn (I-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
5 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Beet (D-MD)
5 US + 2 Intl (2):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
6 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Justin (R-NH)

Question 4: Governors
For Governors (9):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against Governors (6):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)

Question 5: Supreme Court
For a Court (15):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against a Court (0)

Therefore, the decisions (so far) are:
1. Unicameral Congress
2. Popular Vote
3. 5 Us + 0 Intl
4. Governors (Yes)
5. Supreme Court (Yes)

[Demrepdan]

The time limit having expired, the results are:

There was a time limit?

Therefore, the decisions are:
1. Unicameral Congress
2. Popular Vote
3. 5 Us + 0 Intl
4. Governors (Yes)
5. Supreme Court (Yes)

HIZZAH!!!!!! I will soon change my constitution to fit these requests.......

[dunn]

The time limit having expired, the results are:

Question 1: Unicameralism v. Bicameralism
For Unicameralism (12):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For Bicameralism (3):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)

Question 2: Popular v. Electoral Votes
For PV (9):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
For EV (5):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- supersoulty (R-PA)

Question 3: Regions
5 US + 0 Intl (7):
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
6 US + 0 Intl (2):
- dunn (I-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
5 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Beet (D-MD)
5 US + 2 Intl (2):
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
6 US + 1 Intl (2):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Justin (R-NH)

Question 4: Governors
For Governors (9):
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against Governors (6):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)

Question 5: Supreme Court
For a Court (15):
- dunn (I-NY)
- Emsworth (I-NJ)
- Ilikeverin (D-MN)
- Beet (D-MD)
- of_thisnation (D-MD)
- MAS117 (D-NJ)
- Peter Bell (I-MA)
- Justin (R-NH)
- supersoulty (R-PA)
- YoungRepub (R-NY)
- Lewis Trondheim (I-OR)
- Miamu1027 (D-NY)
- Demrepdan (D-IL)
- hughento (D-IA)
- Gustaf (D-MN)
Against a Court (0)

Therefore, the decisions are:
1. Unicameral Congress
2. Popular Vote
3. 5 Us + 0 Intl
4. Governors (Yes)
5. Supreme Court (Yes)

my friend, the vote last another 24 hours....do not call it too early