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« Reply #975 on: September 01, 2012, 12:26:54 PM »

BTW: Stronach pays about 2.5 Mio. $ annually in taxes in Austria alone.

Which is another Romney similarity.
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« Reply #976 on: September 01, 2012, 02:18:29 PM »

Is there a constitutional provision or something that stipulates Prime Ministers or Politicians can't have overseas income?
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« Reply #977 on: September 01, 2012, 02:46:20 PM »

Is there a constitutional provision or something that stipulates Prime Ministers or Politicians can't have overseas income?

The problem is than he probably is more often living out of Austria than in Austria.
I'm quite sure than an American who almost didn't lived in the US would have difficulties to be elected.
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« Reply #978 on: September 01, 2012, 04:40:24 PM »

Is there a constitutional provision or something that stipulates Prime Ministers or Politicians can't have overseas income?

The problem is than he probably is more often living out of Austria than in Austria.
I'm quite sure than an American who almost didn't lived in the US would have difficulties to be elected.

Possibly. It'd be something to take into account if you were voting in a primary. Because that'd be an electability concern. However, it's not a qualification concern that should guide ones decision when the party standard-bearers are already decided.
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« Reply #979 on: September 01, 2012, 05:28:57 PM »

I'm sorry but are you completely out of your mind ?

Can't you really see how much of a problem it is for someone seeking supreme office to be declaring his income in other countries, especially in a fiscal paradise like neighboring Switzerland, when he will ask his citizens to increase their fiscal effort because of "the crisis", whichever this may be ?

Can't you really see how outrageous it would be ? Would you have Romney living in Luxembourg six months a year and financing Luxembourg universities more than US ones while being US President ?
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« Reply #980 on: September 01, 2012, 07:50:36 PM »

I'm sorry but are you completely out of your mind ?

Can't you really see how much of a problem it is for someone seeking supreme office to be declaring his income in other countries, especially in a fiscal paradise like neighboring Switzerland, when he will ask his citizens to increase their fiscal effort because of "the crisis", whichever this may be ?

Can't you really see how outrageous it would be ? Would you have Romney living in Luxembourg six months a year and financing Luxembourg universities more than US ones while being US President ?

Actually, I feel am I being far more rational here. It may be an electoral liability, but it's not a liability towards ones ability to hold the office. I am being quite rational here. I want the candidate who is best for the nation and by extension best for me to win. Regardless of my personal feelings about them. If I had the option to benefit everyone, including me, on the condition that someone I didn't like benefited the most, I'd still opt for that option. In fact, if everyone thought rationally thought like this, wouldn't we all be much better off? We'd certainly put an end to stupid things like war and protectionism.
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« Reply #981 on: September 01, 2012, 07:58:52 PM »

I don't think you used the word 'rationally' nearly enough in that post.
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« Reply #982 on: September 02, 2012, 12:22:21 AM »

Here is the full poll from Gallup (incl. the number for the Pirates):



Stronach has more potential though than his current 10% might suggest:

[Would you consider voting for the Stronach Party ? 32% Yes, 53% No. Among FPÖ-voters: 50%]



Popular and successful Magna-manager Sigi Wolf has also been mentioned as a likely front-runner for the Stronach Party. He once worked for Stronach in his company and they have good ties. Wolf would actually be seen as a better Chancellor candidate by the Austrians: 13% could imagine Wolf as Chancellor, while 12% could imagine Stronach as a Chancellor.

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« Reply #983 on: September 07, 2012, 09:56:26 AM »

Let's not ignore this gem.

Political analyst Thomas Hofer from h&p consulting says his success in business is a political plus, one that evokes the wave Mitt Romney is attempting to ride in the United States presidential race at the moment.
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« Reply #984 on: September 08, 2012, 09:35:50 AM »

Ending the Euro? And the coming structural transfer of wealth from the North to the South? Business experience?

This guy literally sounds like the perfect candidate ever, as long as he's not like a xenophobe or something.

He's not a xenophobe, he actually supports immigration of skilled workers to Austria to help the economy grow (which of course is also supported by the SPÖ, ÖVP and the Greens). The FPÖ and BZÖ people are the xenophobes.

Oh. So this guy actually is perfect then.

lol
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« Reply #985 on: September 08, 2012, 09:41:21 AM »

Here is the full poll from Gallup (incl. the number for the Pirates):



Stronach has more potential though than his current 10% might suggest:

[Would you consider voting for the Stronach Party ? 32% Yes, 53% No. Among FPÖ-voters: 50%]
Oh, those kind of questions...



(from different polls, of course. Guttenberg poll taken right during the resignation mess, all others less than two years older than that. Horst Schlämmer... uh, lol.)
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« Reply #986 on: September 08, 2012, 03:37:40 PM »

Is there any chance of ÖVP, FPÖ and the Stronach Party of working together?
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« Reply #987 on: September 08, 2012, 10:13:44 PM »

What sort of masochist would want to imagine such a thing?
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« Reply #988 on: September 08, 2012, 11:56:13 PM »

Is there any chance of ÖVP, FPÖ and the Stronach Party of working together?

Definitely not impossible. Depends if the FPÖ moves away from their xenophobic and antisemitic behaviour in the next year, so it gets more coalition-friendly. ÖVP/Stronach alone would not be the problem, but the fact that the FPÖ is part of it ...
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« Reply #989 on: September 09, 2012, 12:16:02 AM »

New Salzburg state elections poll by "IMAS" in today's "Kronen Zeitung":

38%  [-1.4] SPÖ
33%  [-3.5] ÖVP
13%     [nc] FPÖ
11% [+3.6] Greens
  4% [+0.3] BZÖ
  1% [+1.0] Others

49-46 majority for SPÖ-Greens over ÖVP-FPÖ. The BZÖ is below the 5% threshold for seats.
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« Reply #990 on: September 09, 2012, 01:07:40 AM »

Here is the full scanned release from today's print edition for historical purposes:





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« Reply #991 on: September 10, 2012, 01:15:09 PM »

New Gallup/Ö24 poll:



Majority for ÖVP-FPÖ-Stronach.

Majority for SPÖVP.

All other coalition forms are unlikely.
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« Reply #992 on: September 10, 2012, 09:45:32 PM »

Is this Frank Stronach in any way related to the former Canadian MP Belinda Stronach?
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« Reply #993 on: September 10, 2012, 09:58:38 PM »

Is this Frank Stronach in any way related to the former Canadian MP Belinda Stronach?

It is her father.
Which is the problem of Frank Stronach, he lives in Canada since the 50's and wants to run in Austria.
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« Reply #994 on: September 14, 2012, 10:21:48 AM »

The Graz city council elections have been moved by ÖVP-Mayor Siegfried Nagl to November 25, instead of the regular election date January 20, 2013.

On January 20, 2013 the military draft referendum will take place in Austria, so Nagl said he doesn't want "his" election to take place on the same day.

Nagl's ÖVP is way ahead in the polls right now.
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« Reply #995 on: September 15, 2012, 12:23:30 AM »

Nagl's ÖVP is way ahead in the polls right now.

Today's a new Graz city council elections poll out by OGM:



The Pirate Party actually has 2% in the poll, but the graphic doesn't show it (click on the link below for the bigger graphic).

Of course the ÖVP is still far ahead, but the battle for 3rd is becoming interesting: The FPÖ, Communists and the Greens are all within the margin of error. The BZÖ plays only a minor role.

Some other parties are also running: The Pirates, the CPÖ (Christian Party), the LIF (Liberals) and a "pro-energy-saving-list".

Direct vote for Mayor:

35% Siegfried Nagl (ÖVP)
10% Elke Kahr (Communists)
10% Mario Eustacchio (FPÖ)
  8% Martina Schröck (SPÖ)
  8% Lisa Rücker (Greens)
29% Someone else

Projected turnout:

62% will definitely vote
19% will probably vote
15% will not vote

Are the early elections a good or bad decision ?

27% Good
19% Bad
52% Don't care

Which party benefits/loses because the early elections were called ?

ÖVP: 72-19 benefits
SPÖ: 6-19 loses
FPÖ: 6-7 loses
Greens: 2-38 loses
Communists: 2-0 benefits
Others: 2-4 loses

http://www.kleinezeitung.at/system/galleries/upload/7/4/1/3117537/2012-09-15-OGM-Graz-Umfrage-S3.pdf
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« Reply #996 on: September 15, 2012, 12:40:04 AM »

Frank Stronach's party-launching get's serious the next week, when the old moneyed man jets in from Canada and lands in Vienna to stay in Austria for 3 (!!!) weeks, before departing to Canada again (this is probably the longest he'll be in Austria in the past years Tongue):

They have already agreed on the party name: "STRONACH for AUSTRIA" and a party logo. They are still thinking about what party color to use.

The campaign team has already worked out a party platform too, incl. a position on the upcoming military draft referendum on January 20, 2013.

For the final 3 months of 2012, the Stronach party will also spend 25 Million € on advertising and promotion of the party !!! This is a HUGE figure, because in the 2008 election, ALL parties COMBINED spent only 30 Million €.

On January 1, 2013 the new campaign finance law takes into effect, which means that Stronach also has to obey it and his campaign ads will be limited to about 8 Million for all of 2013. That's why he's spending most of the money in 2012 after the launch of the party and ahead of the campaign finance law.

Also, the Stronach-Team has said the party will contest the upcoming 2013 state elections in Carinthia and Tyrol (no word about the Lower Austria state elections, which also take place in March of 2013). But they said that they already have a Carinthia campaign office running.

The fact that Lower Austria is missing so far is strange, because it is rumoured that the NATIONAL campaign office for the Stronach party will be based in Oberwaltersdorf in Lower Austria, which is also the seat of the Austrian branch of Stronach's MAGNA company. So, having the national campaign headquarters in this state and not running in the state elections there would be kinda weird. But there's still a few months time ... Wink

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Stronach-Partei-Logo-Name-Personal-fix/78648450
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« Reply #997 on: September 15, 2012, 01:04:00 PM »

After the Stronach Party, the Pirate Party has now decided to run for the Carinthia state elections next year.

Just like the Stronach party, the Pirates in the state just recently emerged as a party and set up a party platform at a party and leadership founding conference yesterday in Villach.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Piratenpartei-nun-auch-in-Kaernten/78684838
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« Reply #998 on: September 16, 2012, 04:02:06 AM »

New poll by the accurate OGM institute:



PS: The graphic shows that 5% would vote for "other parties", such as the Pirates, Communists, Christians, Liberals etc.

In the direct vote for Chancellor, it's:

22% Faymann (SPÖ)
13% Spindelegger (ÖVP)
12% Strache (FPÖ)

http://kurier.at/nachrichten/4512206-kurier-ogm-umfrage-so-waehlt-oesterreich.php
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« Reply #999 on: September 18, 2012, 02:41:29 PM »

New Carinthia poll by the Humaninstitut Klagenfurt:

33% FPK
31% SPÖ
13% Greens
10% ÖVP
  9% BZÖ
  4% Stronach

Direct vote for Governor:

25% Gerhard Dörfler (FPK-Incumbent)
24% Peter Kaiser (SPÖ)
19% Josef Bucher (BZÖ)
15% Rolf Holub (Greens)
10% Gabriel Obernosterer (ÖVP)
  6% Gerhard Köfer (Stronach)

http://kurier.at/nachrichten/4512577-kaerntner-stehen-weiterhin-zu-fpk-und-bzoe.php
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