The 2012 Austrian Election Interlude: The rise of Frank Stronach and more ...

[Tender Branson]

Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.

[Tender Branson]

The new Ö24 poll by Gallup, out today, has exactly the same results as the Profil poll yesterday:



http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Strache-holt-die-SPOe-ein/48351744

[Χahar]

Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.

That's clear from the poll results. The question is why that is.

[Tender Branson]

Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.

That's clear from the poll results. The question is why that is.

Well, we are talking about 40-45% of the younger population.

Most polls show that among younger voters, ca. 35% vote FPÖ, and 5-10% BZÖ - while the Greens are also strong at about 20-25%, and SPÖ and ÖVP have about 20% each.

I think these 40% vote mostly FPÖ because they have negative experiences with foreigner kids when they go to clubs. A lot of younger Austrians can't get along with groups of Turks or "Yugos" and in some cases they were beaten up or attacked by these foreigner groups of Turks or "Yugos". They are basically living in 2 different worlds. The FPÖ has set up a hotline for this "Inländer discrimination" (native discrimination) and because they are the only party which does it, they get the reward. Another fact is of course the Facebook/Social Media popularity of Strache, whereas SPÖ-Chancellor Faymann has miserably failed with it ...

http://austrianindependent.com/news/Politics/2011-11-23/9552/Faymann_suffers_Facebook_fiasco

[Swedish Cheese]

Austria has the most strange political culture and landscape of any western democracy I can think off.

The populist anti-immigration parties tends to be strong with the youth everywhere in Europe, but Austria seems to be at rediculous levels. How come the SPÖ and ÖVP completly fails to have any sort of youth structure and support at all. From what I understand they don't even seem to see it as a problem and do something about it.

 

[Tender Branson]

How come the SPÖ and ÖVP completly fails to have any sort of youth structure and support at all. From what I understand they don't even seem to see it as a problem and do something about it.

They have young members, but most of them are just slimy party apparatchiks who want to climb up the party ranks. And SPÖ and ÖVP have completely overslept the social media revolution. While FPÖ and Greens have long been very active among Facebook, Twitter and Blogs, SPÖVP have remained in the digital stone-age, or in the case of Chancellor Failmann have spent over 100.000€ for a 9-person team to set up a Facebook account that had just 3000 friends after a week out of which roughly half were faked friends created by the SPÖ headquarters.

Besides, SPÖVP has always been the party creature of the olds and retirees here in Austria. And that's unlikely to change, because the population is getting older anyway. SPÖ and Greens have another strategy for getting votes though: naturalisations of foreigners - who in turn vote SPÖ/Green, similar to Hispanics in the US voting for the Democrats.

[Swedish Cheese]

Ah yes, importing voters. A classical method of growing your vote-share.

I'm still surprised not more is done to win over young voters though. Looking at Sweden we also have an aging population and although pensioners are seen as the biggest price to win the establishment parties do a lot to reach out to young voters.

(Well not KD, but then they are a special intrest party for conservative olds, and see how well it's going for them)

[Sibboleth]

That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).

[Tender Branson]

That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).

What do you mean ?

The naturalization of foreigners, who then vote for the Left ?

[Sibboleth]

That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).

What do you mean ?

The naturalization of foreigners, who then vote for the Left ?

The claim that immigration is a conspiracy dreampt up by cynical social democrats in order to bolster their electoral position.

[Senator MaxQue]

Do we really to live with that obvious troll here?

[Sibboleth]

Do we really to live with that obvious troll here?

No.

[Tender Branson]

New Innsbruck poll:

24% Für Innsbruck (center-liberal)
22% Greens (left)
18% ÖVP (center-right)
17% SPÖ (center-left)
  9% Liste Rudi Federspiel (right)
  7% FPÖ (right)
  3% Tiroler Seniorenbund (center)
  0% KPÖ (far left)

Mayor Christine Oppitz-Plörer (FI) leads the direct vote for Mayor with 57%.

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/Tirol/3941815-2/die-suche-nach-dem-pers%C3%B6nlichen-umfrage-dreh.csp

[Tender Branson]

New Tirol poll:

42-43% ÖVP
17-18% FPÖ
15-16% SPÖ
14-15% Greens
    8-9% FRITZ

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/Tirol/3953703-2/licht-und-schatten-bei-vp-umfrage.csp

[Tender Branson]

New Gallup poll:

[Tender Branson]

New study about the Vienna youth (16-19 year olds):

* 44% of the young agree with the argument "there are already too many Turks living in the country".

* 41% agree with the argument "foreigners in Austria see the native Austrians just as an inferior people".

* 18% agree with the argument "the Jews still have too much influence in the world economy".

* 11% agree with the argument "Hitler has done a lot of good for the people".

http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/oesterreich/716836/Vier-von-zehn-Jungen-sagen_Zu-viele-Tuerken

[Tender Branson]

New "ATV Austria Trend" poll:

30% [+1] SPÖ
25%  [-1] ÖVP
25% [+7] FPÖ
14% [+4] Greens
  4%  [-7] BZÖ
  2%  [-4] Others

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20111214_OTS0206/atv-oesterreich-trend-spoe-in-der-sonntagsfrage-wieder-klar-auf-platz-eins

[Colbert]

except carinthian regionalism, what exactly is difference between BZO and FPO?

[Tender Branson]

except carinthian regionalism, what exactly is difference between BZO and FPO?

The BZÖ sees itself right-liberal, the FPÖ right-conservative. In most topics they have the same opinions, the only have different opinions in few areas such as keeping the draft (FPÖ) or abolishing it (BZÖ), stay neutral as a country (FPÖ) or join NATO (BZÖ).

Another topic is tuition fees for universities, which the FPÖ opposes and the BZÖ supports. The FPÖ also supports bootcamps for criminal young people, while the BZÖ opposes it. The BZÖ supports government-funded art, the FPÖ is opposed.

In general, it can be said that the BZÖ is the more conservative wing of the ÖVP, very business-friendly with flat taxes etc. and no further tax increases, while the FPÖ has a more anti-foreigner platform and a less business-friendly one, because they want to be seen as the party of the "small blue-collar man/woman" and lure away voters from the SPÖ. Therefore the FPÖ is seen as more "pro-welfare state" while the BZÖ wants to slash the welfare state to cut the country's debt.

Another difference is gay rights, which the FPÖ totally opposes and the BZÖ is more liberal on (supporting civil unions, like the ÖVP).

It's also not as radical on the EU as the FPÖ and not involved in as many Nazi-scandals as the FPÖ.

But I would say, on 70% of all issues the 2 parties agree.

[Colbert]

OK, thanks

[Tender Branson]

Interesting new poll regarding Austrians and Christianity in the "Standard" newspaper:

14% of Austrians consider themselves as "engaged Christians"
47% of Austrians consider themselves as "Christians in name only"
28% of Austrians say they were former Christians, but have quit the churches
11% of Austrians have nothing to do with Christianity

Also:



Pope Benedikt XVI. gets only a 31-56 approval rating from Austrians.



Do you think the Catholic Church has the right answers for people these days ?

84% No (41% not at all, 43% not really)
13% Yes (2% yes definitely, 11% yes somewhat)

[Tender Branson]

New Gallup/Ö24 poll out today:

28%  [-1] SPÖ
26% [+8] FPÖ
24%  [-2] ÖVP
13% [+3] Greens
  5%  [-6] BZÖ
  4%  [-2] Others

Direct vote for Chancellor:

25% Werner Faymann (SPÖ)
17% Michael Spindelegger (ÖVP)
15% Heinz-Christian Strache (FPÖ)

Do you think there will be snap elections in 2012 (regular election date: Fall 2013) ?

26% Yes
62% No

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20111225_OTS0002/oesterreich-umfrage-jeder-vierte-rechnet-2012-mit-neuwahlen

[Tender Branson]

New Tyrol state elections poll for the TT:

44% ÖVP
17% SPÖ
16% FPÖ
13% Greens
  8% CFT
  1% CCT
  1% BZÖ

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/%C3%9Cberblick/Politik/PolitikTirol/4034825-6/vp-schw%C3%A4chelt-stagnation-beim-koalitionspartner-sp%C3%B6.csp

[Tender Branson]

New Market poll for the "Standard":

30% [+1] SPÖ
26% [+8] FPÖ
23%  [-3] ÖVP
14% [+4] Greens
  5%  [-6] BZÖ
  2%  [-4] Others

http://derstandard.at/1324501448224/Umfrage-SPOe-klar-voran-Spindelegger-hinter-Strache

No majority for FPÖ-ÖVP (well maybe, but it's 49-49) ...

[Tender Branson]

The first Gallup poll for Ö24 this year:

28% SPÖ
26% FPÖ
24% ÖVP
13% Greens
  5% BZÖ
  4% Others

Austrians are not happy with the work of the SPÖVP government:

23% say they are happy
73% say they are not happy

Most Austrian government politicians are in the red as well, meaning that they have a negative poll balance of trust minus no trust:



Only 4 politicians have positive ratings (actually 5 with the President) and 1 has a balanced rating.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Jahreszeugnis-fuer-unsere-Politiker/51266308