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Question: Who would you vote for in the Austrian Presidential Election ?
Heinz Fischer (Incumbent-SP/IND)   -41 (56.9%)
Barbara Rosenkranz (FP)   -25 (34.7%)
Other candidate (please post)   -2 (2.8%)
Invalid   -4 (5.6%)
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« Reply #700 on: December 04, 2011, 02:26:22 am »
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Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.
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« Reply #701 on: December 04, 2011, 02:31:59 am »
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The new 24 poll by Gallup, out today, has exactly the same results as the Profil poll yesterday:



http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Strache-holt-die-SPOe-ein/48351744
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« Reply #702 on: December 04, 2011, 02:44:11 am »
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Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.

That's clear from the poll results. The question is why that is.
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« Reply #703 on: December 04, 2011, 02:57:35 am »
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Youths preferring the fascists over the lefties? I don't understand Austria...

Protest vote. The Left is as much part of the establishment in Austria as in Scandinavia. Therefore...

I would put it this way:

The Austrian Left favors the mass immigration of foreigners. The Austrian youth does not.

That's clear from the poll results. The question is why that is.

Well, we are talking about 40-45% of the younger population.

Most polls show that among younger voters, ca. 35% vote FP, and 5-10% BZ - while the Greens are also strong at about 20-25%, and SP and VP have about 20% each.

I think these 40% vote mostly FP because they have negative experiences with foreigner kids when they go to clubs. A lot of younger Austrians can't get along with groups of Turks or "Yugos" and in some cases they were beaten up or attacked by these foreigner groups of Turks or "Yugos". They are basically living in 2 different worlds. The FP has set up a hotline for this "Inlnder discrimination" (native discrimination) and because they are the only party which does it, they get the reward. Another fact is of course the Facebook/Social Media popularity of Strache, whereas SP-Chancellor Faymann has miserably failed with it ...

http://austrianindependent.com/news/Politics/2011-11-23/9552/Faymann_suffers_Facebook_fiasco
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« Reply #704 on: December 04, 2011, 06:23:52 am »
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Austria has the most strange political culture and landscape of any western democracy I can think off.

The populist anti-immigration parties tends to be strong with the youth everywhere in Europe, but Austria seems to be at rediculous levels. How come the SP and VP completly fails to have any sort of youth structure and support at all. From what I understand they don't even seem to see it as a problem and do something about it.

 
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« Reply #705 on: December 04, 2011, 07:39:15 am »
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How come the SP and VP completly fails to have any sort of youth structure and support at all. From what I understand they don't even seem to see it as a problem and do something about it.

They have young members, but most of them are just slimy party apparatchiks who want to climb up the party ranks. And SP and VP have completely overslept the social media revolution. While FP and Greens have long been very active among Facebook, Twitter and Blogs, SPVP have remained in the digital stone-age, or in the case of Chancellor Failmann have spent over 100.000 for a 9-person team to set up a Facebook account that had just 3000 friends after a week out of which roughly half were faked friends created by the SP headquarters.

Besides, SPVP has always been the party creature of the olds and retirees here in Austria. And that's unlikely to change, because the population is getting older anyway. SP and Greens have another strategy for getting votes though: naturalisations of foreigners - who in turn vote SP/Green, similar to Hispanics in the US voting for the Democrats.
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« Reply #706 on: December 04, 2011, 08:37:23 am »
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Ah yes, importing voters. A classical method of growing your vote-share.

I'm still surprised not more is done to win over young voters though. Looking at Sweden we also have an aging population and although pensioners are seen as the biggest price to win the establishment parties do a lot to reach out to young voters.

(Well not KD, but then they are a special intrest party for conservative olds, and see how well it's going for them)



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« Reply #707 on: December 04, 2011, 11:57:19 am »
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That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).
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« Reply #708 on: December 04, 2011, 12:57:36 pm »
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That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).

What do you mean ?

The naturalization of foreigners, who then vote for the Left ?
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« Reply #709 on: December 04, 2011, 02:00:56 pm »
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That's one of those accusations that gets made all the time but which no one ever has any proof for (usually because it is completely untrue).

What do you mean ?

The naturalization of foreigners, who then vote for the Left ?

The claim that immigration is a conspiracy dreampt up by cynical social democrats in order to bolster their electoral position.
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« Reply #710 on: December 05, 2011, 08:16:35 pm »
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Do we really to live with that obvious troll here?
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« Reply #711 on: December 05, 2011, 08:40:15 pm »
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Do we really to live with that obvious troll here?

No.
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« Reply #712 on: December 09, 2011, 02:38:08 am »
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New Innsbruck poll:

24% Fr Innsbruck (center-liberal)
22% Greens (left)
18% VP (center-right)
17% SP (center-left)
  9% Liste Rudi Federspiel (right)
  7% FP (right)
  3% Tiroler Seniorenbund (center)
  0% KP (far left)

Mayor Christine Oppitz-Plrer (FI) leads the direct vote for Mayor with 57%.

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/Tirol/3941815-2/die-suche-nach-dem-pers%C3%B6nlichen-umfrage-dreh.csp
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« Reply #713 on: December 10, 2011, 06:30:05 am »
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New Tirol poll:

42-43% VP
17-18% FP
15-16% SP
14-15% Greens
    8-9% FRITZ

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/Tirol/3953703-2/licht-und-schatten-bei-vp-umfrage.csp
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« Reply #714 on: December 11, 2011, 04:46:31 am »
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New Gallup poll:

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« Reply #715 on: December 16, 2011, 03:50:14 am »
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New study about the Vienna youth (16-19 year olds):

* 44% of the young agree with the argument "there are already too many Turks living in the country".

* 41% agree with the argument "foreigners in Austria see the native Austrians just as an inferior people".

* 18% agree with the argument "the Jews still have too much influence in the world economy".

* 11% agree with the argument "Hitler has done a lot of good for the people".

http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/oesterreich/716836/Vier-von-zehn-Jungen-sagen_Zu-viele-Tuerken
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« Reply #716 on: December 17, 2011, 07:50:25 am »
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New "ATV Austria Trend" poll:

30% [+1] SP
25%  [-1] VP
25% [+7] FP
14% [+4] Greens
  4%  [-7] BZ
  2%  [-4] Others

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20111214_OTS0206/atv-oesterreich-trend-spoe-in-der-sonntagsfrage-wieder-klar-auf-platz-eins
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« Reply #717 on: December 19, 2011, 11:33:18 am »
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except carinthian regionalism, what exactly is difference between BZO and FPO?
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« Reply #718 on: December 19, 2011, 12:06:34 pm »
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except carinthian regionalism, what exactly is difference between BZO and FPO?

The BZ sees itself right-liberal, the FP right-conservative. In most topics they have the same opinions, the only have different opinions in few areas such as keeping the draft (FP) or abolishing it (BZ), stay neutral as a country (FP) or join NATO (BZ).

Another topic is tuition fees for universities, which the FP opposes and the BZ supports. The FP also supports bootcamps for criminal young people, while the BZ opposes it. The BZ supports government-funded art, the FP is opposed.

In general, it can be said that the BZ is the more conservative wing of the VP, very business-friendly with flat taxes etc. and no further tax increases, while the FP has a more anti-foreigner platform and a less business-friendly one, because they want to be seen as the party of the "small blue-collar man/woman" and lure away voters from the SP. Therefore the FP is seen as more "pro-welfare state" while the BZ wants to slash the welfare state to cut the country's debt.

Another difference is gay rights, which the FP totally opposes and the BZ is more liberal on (supporting civil unions, like the VP).

It's also not as radical on the EU as the FP and not involved in as many Nazi-scandals as the FP.

But I would say, on 70% of all issues the 2 parties agree.
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« Reply #719 on: December 20, 2011, 06:33:55 am »
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OK, thanks Smiley
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« Reply #720 on: December 24, 2011, 03:24:15 pm »
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Interesting new poll regarding Austrians and Christianity in the "Standard" newspaper:

14% of Austrians consider themselves as "engaged Christians"
47% of Austrians consider themselves as "Christians in name only"
28% of Austrians say they were former Christians, but have quit the churches
11% of Austrians have nothing to do with Christianity

Also:



Pope Benedikt XVI. gets only a 31-56 approval rating from Austrians.



Do you think the Catholic Church has the right answers for people these days ?

84% No (41% not at all, 43% not really)
13% Yes (2% yes definitely, 11% yes somewhat)
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« Reply #721 on: December 25, 2011, 02:27:51 am »
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New Gallup/24 poll out today:

28%  [-1] SP
26% [+8] FP
24%  [-2] VP
13% [+3] Greens
  5%  [-6] BZ
  4%  [-2] Others

Direct vote for Chancellor:

25% Werner Faymann (SP)
17% Michael Spindelegger (VP)
15% Heinz-Christian Strache (FP)

Do you think there will be snap elections in 2012 (regular election date: Fall 2013) ?

26% Yes
62% No

http://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/OTS_20111225_OTS0002/oesterreich-umfrage-jeder-vierte-rechnet-2012-mit-neuwahlen
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« Reply #722 on: December 28, 2011, 01:05:55 pm »
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New Tyrol state elections poll for the TT:

44% VP
17% SP
16% FP
13% Greens
  8% CFT
  1% CCT
  1% BZ

http://www.tt.com/csp/cms/sites/tt/%C3%9Cberblick/Politik/PolitikTirol/4034825-6/vp-schw%C3%A4chelt-stagnation-beim-koalitionspartner-sp%C3%B6.csp
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« Reply #723 on: December 30, 2011, 12:07:28 pm »
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New Market poll for the "Standard":

30% [+1] SP
26% [+8] FP
23%  [-3] VP
14% [+4] Greens
  5%  [-6] BZ
  2%  [-4] Others

http://derstandard.at/1324501448224/Umfrage-SPOe-klar-voran-Spindelegger-hinter-Strache

No majority for FP-VP (well maybe, but it's 49-49) ... Smiley
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« Reply #724 on: January 01, 2012, 07:10:49 am »
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The first Gallup poll for 24 this year:

28% SP
26% FP
24% VP
13% Greens
  5% BZ
  4% Others

Austrians are not happy with the work of the SPVP government:

23% say they are happy
73% say they are not happy

Most Austrian government politicians are in the red as well, meaning that they have a negative poll balance of trust minus no trust:



Only 4 politicians have positive ratings (actually 5 with the President) and 1 has a balanced rating.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Jahreszeugnis-fuer-unsere-Politiker/51266308
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