Terms of Service/Atlasia's Troll List

[Senator Kalwejt]

Acting by force will not work with Hamilton, he is too crafty and manipulative for that. IMO it's better to control and "regulate" him by preventing him to harm, rather than trying to get rid of him.

So he would keep posting and mods will keep deleting it, right?

Treat him as a normal member of the TrollList. Delete all his posts except those regarding his political offices, and if he really improve his behaviour let him free until he starts trolling again. By doing so, we will prevent him from spamming without having him coming back under a new identity, and trying to screw the forum once again.

You're a man with a big faith

[Californian Tony]

Acting by force will not work with Hamilton, he is too crafty and manipulative for that. IMO it's better to control and "regulate" him by preventing him to harm, rather than trying to get rid of him.

So he would keep posting and mods will keep deleting it, right?

Treat him as a normal member of the TrollList. Delete all his posts except those regarding his political offices, and if he really improve his behaviour let him free until he starts trolling again. By doing so, we will prevent him from spamming without having him coming back under a new identity, and trying to screw the forum once again.

You're a man with a big faith

I'm being extremely pragmatic. If I thought we could ban Hamilton from the forum definitively and never see him again, then I would be fine with it. But I don't want, in some days, that a "Hamilton bis" feigns once again to be my friend and uses me.

[Gustaf]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

[Californian Tony]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Do whatever you consider better for the forum. We'll see later who of us was right.

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

I considered it the minute he said he wanted to join the party that had his friends in it, Hamilton and Einzige. I was thinking it might be either some dupe or a sock.

[Californian Tony]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

I considered it the minute he said he wanted to join the party that had his friends in it, Hamilton and Einzige. I was thinking it might be either some dupe or a sock.

So what are we gonna do, ask for an IP check on any new ARC member ?

[Gustaf]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

I considered it the minute he said he wanted to join the party that had his friends in it, Hamilton and Einzige. I was thinking it might be either some dupe or a sock.

So what are we gonna do, ask for an IP check on any new ARC member ?

Sounds reasonable.

[Badger]

Yeah, IMO Sewer shouldn't be in, neither Einzige. The first loves just making fun of everything, but never makes personal attacks. The second is sometimes very harsh, but he always gives arguments and discuss about ideologies.

Very much this. ^^^^^ Kinda uncomfortable about Winston being on the list too. Has he really earned that?

[Badger]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Very much this. If anyone banned comes back under a sock and acts like an ass they'll draw attention to themselves and be discovered and rebanned sooner than you can say LibertashatesJews"Zionists".

If they come back and act reasonable under their new identity, then they're not causing anyone problems until their eventual inevitable discovery (which might cause the minor inconvinience of a special election if they've managed to be elected to some office in the meantime. Maybe an IP check for every 1st time candidate for office?).

[Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Very much this. If anyone banned comes back under a sock and acts like an ass they'll draw attention to themselves and be discovered and rebanned sooner than you can say LibertashatesJews"Zionists".

If they come back and act reasonable under their new identity, then they're not causing anyone problems until their eventual inevitable discovery (which might cause the minor inconvinience of a special election if they've managed to be elected to some office in the meantime. Maybe an IP check for every 1st time candidate for office?).

Something to consider. I certainly have gotten into a habit of asking for IP checks of RPP recruits for the sake of maintaining sercurity on the Private Forums.

[Χahar]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Very much this. If anyone banned comes back under a sock and acts like an ass they'll draw attention to themselves and be discovered and rebanned sooner than you can say LibertashatesJews"Zionists".

If they come back and act reasonable under their new identity, then they're not causing anyone problems until their eventual inevitable discovery (which might cause the minor inconvinience of a special election if they've managed to be elected to some office in the meantime. Maybe an IP check for every 1st time candidate for office?).

Something to consider. I certainly have gotten into a habit of asking for IP checks of RPP recruits for the sake of maintaining sercurity on the Private Forums.

It works quite poorly. Security there does not exist.

[Badger]

Hamilton and Libertas have continued to flaunt the system and will now not be able to post at all. All of their posts will be deleted, whether it has to do with their elected offices or jobs because they continue to post when they are not allowed to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iseJJ5ogA

[Californian Tony]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

[Marokai]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

It is odd, isn't it? Alcon, MasterJedi, and Gustaf, three of the biggest TrollList supporters, have been MIA for the same amount of time.

[Californian Tony]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

It is odd, isn't it? Alcon, MasterJedi, and Gustaf, three of the biggest TrollList supporters, have been MIA for the same amount of time.

True... And some days only after the creation of the trollist. I really start wondering what's happening here.
Anyways, either you are able to apply the tough rules you set or you make them less tough, because the situation of posters who will have their posts deleted but can post nonetheless (and start topics) is quite paradoxal.

[Inks.LWC Supports Chuck Hagel]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

It is odd, isn't it? Alcon, MasterJedi, and Gustaf, three of the biggest TrollList supporters, have been MIA for the same amount of time.

Yeah, weird - I wonder if Dave thought they went too far?

[Peter]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

It is odd, isn't it? Alcon, MasterJedi, and Gustaf, three of the biggest TrollList supporters, have been MIA for the same amount of time.

Yeah, weird - I wonder if Dave thought they went too far?

If he did, he hasn't expressed that thought to all the moderators, though doesn't mean he didn't express it to them individually.

[Californian Tony]

Is someone able to contact one of them by AIM or something else ?

[Χahar]

Is someone able to contact one of them by AIM or something else ?

MasterJedi's on AIM at the moment.

[MasterJedi]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

[Californian Tony]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

[Peter]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you think the forum is that important, I'm afraid that you need a life. I mean, its only an internet forum!

[Californian Tony]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you think the forum is that important, I'm afraid that you need a life. I mean, its only an internet forum!

I hate this kind of argument. The importance or not of this forum is irrelevant. When you are in it, you wish to see the rules decently applied. It's not that demanding, especially since there are two moderators.

[Senator Kalwejt]

Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

So far he's doing everything to stay here forever

[MasterJedi]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you think the forum is that important, I'm afraid that you need a life. I mean, its only an internet forum!

I hate this kind of argument. The importance or not of this forum is irrelevant. When you are in it, you wish to see the rules decently applied. It's not that demanding, especially since there are two moderators.

This is something I do in my spare time for fun. I don't get paid to moderate so it's not my "job". If you'd like to pay me for moderating I'd gladly agree to the plan you described.