Terms of Service/Atlasia's Troll List

[Antonio the Sixth]

So, here is it. I imagined that the "Alcon method" would rapidly be expanded to the AFE board. Actually, I consider it's a quite intelligent moderating system, at least far better than arbitrary thread deletions.
I want to have a look at how this works, but I think it can really help improving the board, as long as moderators don't start abusing of the list.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, IMO Sewer shouldn't be in, neither Einzige. The first loves just making fun of everything, but never makes personal attacks. The second is sometimes very harsh, but he always gives arguments and discuss about ideologies.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

Well, but Hamilton main account should be banned regardless. If he go back under new and start to act the same way, than ban it too.

Sorry, but we can't surrended before statement like: "trolls will be back anyway".

Hamilton deserves to be banned for massive trolling, spamming spree, despite all chances he was given. I';m not list or new policy fan, but he's a real exception.

Acting by force will not work with Hamilton, he is too crafty and manipulative for that. IMO it's better to control and "regulate" him by preventing him to harm, rather than trying to get rid of him.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Acting by force will not work with Hamilton, he is too crafty and manipulative for that. IMO it's better to control and "regulate" him by preventing him to harm, rather than trying to get rid of him.

So he would keep posting and mods will keep deleting it, right?

Treat him as a normal member of the TrollList. Delete all his posts except those regarding his political offices, and if he really improve his behaviour let him free until he starts trolling again. By doing so, we will prevent him from spamming without having him coming back under a new identity, and trying to screw the forum once again.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Acting by force will not work with Hamilton, he is too crafty and manipulative for that. IMO it's better to control and "regulate" him by preventing him to harm, rather than trying to get rid of him.

So he would keep posting and mods will keep deleting it, right?

Treat him as a normal member of the TrollList. Delete all his posts except those regarding his political offices, and if he really improve his behaviour let him free until he starts trolling again. By doing so, we will prevent him from spamming without having him coming back under a new identity, and trying to screw the forum once again.

You're a man with a big faith

I'm being extremely pragmatic. If I thought we could ban Hamilton from the forum definitively and never see him again, then I would be fine with it. But I don't want, in some days, that a "Hamilton bis" feigns once again to be my friend and uses me.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That some of you acted stupid is not enough to convince me to do the work that it would require to moderate Hamilton.

There are two options if a troll comes back and does not get detected (they usually are at some point).

He trolls again and is banned again. No problem.
He doesn't troll again and is not banned. No problem.

Do whatever you consider better for the forum. We'll see later who of us was right.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't know how long a system like this will suffice until the trolls overrun it with their spam/abuse of the reporting system, etc. I wish Mr. Leip would come around enough to get rid of these people, but perhaps he's afraid that banning them will only make it worse, if we believe the threats Hamilton likes to spew about how it will get worse if he's banned. I don't know. It's unfortunate that these kids, with way too much time on their hands, are trying to take down the forum. It used to be a great place for discussion.

I agree with that. Banning Hamilton will be a terrible mistake, because he will easily come back on the forum, and learning from his mistakes, he will manage to screw the forum without getting banned in time.

He won't learn. And besides, it won't matter. Once it'd discovered it is Hamilton he'll be banned for circumvening the ban, just like Ogis every time, no matter how he acts.

Did someone only imagine that Swing Voter could be Hamilton before Nik revealed it ?

I considered it the minute he said he wanted to join the party that had his friends in it, Hamilton and Einzige. I was thinking it might be either some dupe or a sock.

So what are we gonna do, ask for an IP check on any new ARC member ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

[Antonio the Sixth]

Seems that moderators have been totally inactive for 3 days...

It is odd, isn't it? Alcon, MasterJedi, and Gustaf, three of the biggest TrollList supporters, have been MIA for the same amount of time.

True... And some days only after the creation of the trollist. I really start wondering what's happening here.
Anyways, either you are able to apply the tough rules you set or you make them less tough, because the situation of posters who will have their posts deleted but can post nonetheless (and start topics) is quite paradoxal.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Is someone able to contact one of them by AIM or something else ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Guys, I have a life. I've been home this weekend and not on the comp much until today. Well at least Hamilton has made it clear he'll never get off the troll list.

There was no doubt about that.
As for you life, 3 days is really long a time. Maybe you could find an arrangement with Gustaf to ensure that one of you is online at least once per day.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but if you think the forum is that important, I'm afraid that you need a life. I mean, its only an internet forum!

I hate this kind of argument. The importance or not of this forum is irrelevant. When you are in it, you wish to see the rules decently applied. It's not that demanding, especially since there are two moderators.

[Antonio the Sixth]

SewerSocialist, Winston and Einzige have been removed from the troll list for good behavior. Hamilton and Libertas will remain there and are still extreme cases.

Congratulations for carrying out the new policy according to terms.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The current mod's behaviour is totally useless as regards trolling. Deleting posts of another user, and one of the most respectables here, only because he quotes Hamilton (because he is a NE rep, and so has the right to propose Amendments. Please, just reflect about what you are doing. You are giving Hamilton new occasions to develop fallacious arguments, while helping nothing to the fight against trolling.

Stop acting so stupidly, please.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

[Antonio the Sixth]

So now Libertas is the only member of the TrollList ?

The idea that Moderate has to yield to the authority of an Assembly is ludicrous. MJ and Gustaf are moderators of the entire Atlas Fanasty Election Board including all threads thereof of which one of those threads just so happens to be the Northeast Assembly thread. If there is policy in place, it should be applied uniformly accross the entire board. Remember, the escalation is not the mods fault, it was Hamilton's. We always love to blame the wrong person but three people got removed from this list there ,must be a reason why Hamilton wasn't and in fact the opposite occured.

Which basically has nothing to do with my point.

It was just a general statement on the matter not aimed at anyone in particular.

We all understood and accepted MJ's no-exception policy for TrollListed members. What is totally absurd, useless and harmful for the functioning of the Assembly, is deleting the post of a non troll quoting a non-trollish post only because this post came from a member of the TrollList.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Does this constitute any sort of violation:

With all due respect to my colleagues at the PCP,

South Park Conservative
Georgia
Populares

With all due respect to you, this may be the greatest thing to happen to the PCP in months.

Just LOL.