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« on: January 14, 2010, 07:40:54 PM »
« edited: January 15, 2010, 08:33:56 PM by Getúlio L'Hermine Vargas »

Announcing the start of a new Latin American mega-survivor covering Latin American history since independence, more or less. Only political or military figures are included, for obvious reasons.

There are exactly 150 names, to be divided later into 4 groups of 37-38.

Mexico
1.   Miguel Hidalgo
2.   Agustin de Iturbide
3.   Antonio López de Santa Anna
4.   Valentín Gómez Farías
5.   Benito Juárez
6.   Maximilian I
7.   Porfirio Díaz
8.   Francisco I. Madero
9.   Victoriano Huerta
10.   Venustiano Carranza
11.   Pancho Villa
12.   Emiliano Zapata
13.   Álvaro Obregón
14.   Lázaro Cárdenas
15.   Gustavo Díaz Ordaz
16.   Miguel de la Madrid
17.   Vicente Fox

Guatemala
1.   José Rafael Carrera Turcios
2.   Manuel José Estrada Cabrera
3.   Jacobo Arbenz

Honduras
1.   Tiburcio Carías Andino
2.   Oswaldo López Arellano

El Salvador
1.   Maximiliano Hernández Martínez
2.   Farabundo Martí
3.   Roberto d’Aubuisson
4.   José Napoleón Duarte

Nicaragua
1.   William Walker
2.   José Santos Zelaya
3.   Augusto César Sandino
4.   Anastasio Somoza Debayle
5.   Daniel Ortega

Costa Rica
1.   José Figueres Ferrer
2.   Óscar Arias Sánchez

Panama
1.   Omar Torrijos
2.   Manuel Noriega

Cuba
1.   José Martí
2.   Tomás Estrada Palma
3.   José Miguel Gómez
4.   Mario García Menocal
5.   Gerardo Machado
6.   Ramón Grau San Martín
7.   Fulgencio Batista
8.   Fidel Castro
9.   Raúl Castro
10.   Che Guevara

Colombia
1.   Francisco de Paula Santander
2.   José Hilario López
3.   Rafael Núñez Moledo
4.   José María Campo Serrano
5.   Carlos Eugenio Restrepo
6.   Jorge Eliécer Gaitán
7.   Mariano Ospina Pérez
8.   Álvaro Uribe

Peru
1.   José La Mar
2.   Ramón Castilla
3.   Manuel Pardo
4.   Nicolás de Piérola
5.   Augusto B. Leguía y Salcedo
6.   Víctor Raúl Haya de la Torre
7.   Manuel Prado y Ugarteche
8.   Juan Velasco Alvarado
9.   Alan García Pérez
10.   Alberto Fujimori

Chile
1.   Bernardo O'Higgins
2.   José Manuel Balmaceda
3.   Arturo Alessandri
4.   Carlos Ibáñez del Campo
5.   Gabriel González Videla
6.   Jorge Alessandri
7.   Eduardo Frei Montalva
8.   Salvador Allende
9.   Augusto Pinochet
10.   Patricio Aylwin
11.   Michelle Bachelet

Bolivia
1.   Antonio José de Sucre
2.   Hilarión Daza
3.   José Manuel Pando
4.   Víctor Paz Estenssoro
5.   Hugo Banzer
6.   Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada
7.   Evo Morales

Ecuador
1.   Juan José Flores
2.   Gabriel García Moreno
3.   Eloy Alfaro
4.   José María Velasco Ibarra
5.   Rafael Correa

Paraguay
1.   Carlos Antonio López
2.   Francisco Solano López
3.   Higinio Moríñigo Martínez
4.   Alfredo Stroessner

Uruguay
1.   Venancio Flores
2.   Jorge Pacheco Areco
3.   Juan María Bordaberry
4.   Julio María Sanguinetti

Venezuela
1.   Simón Bolívar
2.   Antonio Guzmán Blanco
3.   Joaquín Sinforiano de Jesús Crespo Torres
4.   Juan Vicente Gómez Chacón
5.   Rómulo Ernesto Betancourt Bello
6.   Marcos Evangelista Pérez Jiménez
7.   Rafael Antonio Caldera
8.   Hugo Chávez

Brazil
1.   Dom Pedro I
2.   Dom Pedro II
3.   Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias
4.   Princess Imperial Isabel
5.   Joaquim Nabuco
6.   Júlio Prates de Castilhos
7.   Deodoro da Fonseca
8.   Floriano Peixoto
9.   Ruy Barbosa
10.   José Maria da Silva Paranhos Júnior, Baron of Rio Branco
11.   José Gomes Pinheiro Machado
12.   Washington Luís Pereira de Sousa
13.   Getúlio Dornelles Vargas
14.   Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira
15.   Carlos Lacerda
16.   João Goulart
17.   Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco
18.   Luis Carlos Prestes
19.   Emílio Garrastazu Médici
20.   Ernesto Geisel
21.   José Sarney de Araújo Costa
22.   Fernando Henrique Cardoso
23.   Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

Argentina
1.   José de San Martin
2.   Juan Manuel de Rosas
3.   Bartolomé Mitre
4.   Domingo F. Sarmiento
5.   Julio Argentino Roca
6.   Miguel Juárez Celman
7.   Roque Sáenz Peña
8.   Hipólito Yrigoyen
9.   José Félix Uriburu
10.   Agustín Pedro Justo
11.   Juan D. Perón
12.   María Eva Duarte de Perón
13.   Pedro Eugenio Aramburu
14.   Arturo Frondizi
15.   Juan Carlos Onganía
16.   Isabel Perón
17.   Jorge Rafael Videla
18.   Leopoldo Galtieri
19.   Raúl Alfonsín
20.   Carlos Menem
21.   Néstor Kirchner

Dominican Republic
1.   Rafael Trujillo
2.   Juan Bosch
3.   Joaquín Balaguer
4.   Leonel Fernández Reyna
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2010, 08:07:19 PM »
« Edited: January 15, 2010, 08:34:23 PM by Getúlio L'Hermine Vargas »

5 equal groups instead.

GROUP A
1   Rafael Núñez Moledo (Colombia)
2   María Eva Duarte de Perón (Argentina)
3   Augusto Pinochet (Chile)
4   Bernardo O'Higgins (Chile)
5   Roberto d’Aubuisson (El Salvador)
6   Julio Argentino Roca (Argentina)
7   Carlos Eugenio Restrepo (Colombia)
8   Emílio Garrastazu Médici (Brazil)
9   Oswaldo López Arellano (Honduras)
10   Gustavo Díaz Ordaz (Mexico)
11   José María Velasco Ibarra (Ecuador)
12   José Santos Zelaya (Nicaragua)
13   Néstor Kirchner (Argentina)
14   Ramón Grau San Martín (Cuba)
15   Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay)
16   José Hilario López (Colombia)
17   Fidel Castro (Cuba)
18   Julio María Sanguinetti (Uruguay)
19   Ramón Castilla (Peru)
20   Carlos Antonio López (Paraguay)
21   Eduardo Frei Montalva (Chile)
22   Hugo Banzer (Bolivia)
23   Jorge Rafael Videla (Argentina)
24   Isabel Perón (Argentina)
25   Antonio Guzmán Blanco (Venezuela)
26   Maximilian I (Mexico)
27   Venustiano Carranza (Mexico)
28   Getúlio Dornelles Vargas (Brazil)
29   Victoriano Huerta (Mexico)
30   Simón Bolívar (Venezuela)

GROUP B
1   Venancio Flores (Uruguay)
2   Deodoro da Fonseca (Brazil)
3   Maximiliano Hernández Martínez (El Salvador)
4   Roque Sáenz Peña (Argentina)
5   Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (Brazil)
6   Che Guevara (Cuba)
7   Juan Bosch (Dominican Republic)
8   Miguel Hidalgo (Mexico)
9   Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias (Brazil)
10   Dom Pedro II (Brazil)
11   Alberto Fujimori (Peru)
12   Washington Luís Pereira de Sousa (Brazil)
13   Antonio José de Sucre (Bolivia)
14   Raúl Alfonsín (Argentina)
15   Víctor Paz Estenssoro (Bolivia)
16   Manuel Prado y Ugarteche (Peru)
17   Augusto César Sandino (Nicaragua)
18   José Rafael Carrera Turcios (Guatemala)
19   Jorge Eliécer Gaitán (Colombia)
20   Gerardo Machado (Cuba)
21   Floriano Peixoto (Brazil)
22   Juan Carlos Onganía (Argentina)
23   Manuel José Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala)
24   Salvador Allende (Chile)
25   José Félix Uriburu (Argentina)
26   Carlos Lacerda (Brazil)
27   Agustin de Iturbide (Mexico)
28   Emiliano Zapata (Mexico)
29   Manuel Pardo (Peru)
30   Ernesto Geisel (Brazil)

GROUP C
1   Rómulo Ernesto Betancourt Bello (Venezuela)
2   José Maria da Silva Paranhos Júnior, Baron of Rio Branco (Brazil)
3   Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic)
4   José Sarney de Araújo Costa (Brazil)
5   Carlos Ibáñez del Campo (Chile)
6   Leonel Fernández Reyna (Dominican Republic)
7   João Goulart (Brazil)
8   Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco (Brazil)
9   José Napoleón Duarte (El Salvador)
10   Juan D. Perón (Argentina)
11   William Walker (Nicaragua)
12   Alan García Pérez (Peru)
13   José Manuel Balmaceda (Chile)
14   Fulgencio Batista (Cuba)
15   Antonio López de Santa Anna (Mexico)
16   Vicente Fox (Mexico)
17   Higinio Moríñigo Martínez (Paraguay)
18   José de San Martin (Argentina)
19   Rafael Correa (Ecuador)
20   Marcos Evangelista Pérez Jiménez  (Venezuela)
21   Juan José Flores (Ecuador)
22   José Martí (Cuba)
23   Leopoldo Galtieri (Argentina)
24   Pancho Villa (Mexico)
25   Jacobo Arbenz (Guatemala)
26   Farabundo Martí (El Salvador)
27   Nicolás de Piérola (Peru)
28   Juan Manuel de Rosas (Argentina)
29   Miguel Juárez Celman (Argentina)
30   Álvaro Uribe (Colombia)

GROUP D
1   Francisco de Paula Santander (Colombia)
2   Fernando Henrique Cardoso (Brazil)
3   Francisco Solano López (Paraguay)
4   Benito Juárez (Mexico)
5   Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (Argentina)
6   Gabriel González Videla (Chile)
7   Gabriel García Moreno (Ecuador)
8   Jorge Alessandri (Chile)
9   Óscar Arias Sánchez (Costa Rica)
10   Juan Vicente Gómez Chacón (Venezuela)
11   Hipólito Yrigoyen (Argentina)
12   Augusto B. Leguía y Salcedo (Peru)
13   Valentín Gómez Farías (Mexico)
14   Miguel de la Madrid (Mexico)
15   José La Mar (Peru)
16   Michelle Bachelet (Chile)
17   Bartolomé Mitre (Argentina)
18   Carlos Menem (Argentina)
19   Arturo Frondizi (Argentina)
20   Tiburcio Carías Andino (Honduras)
21   Manuel Noriega (Panama)
22   Eloy Alfaro (Ecuador)
23   Francisco I. Madero (Mexico)
24   Porfirio Díaz (Mexico)
25   Anastasio Somoza Debayle (Nicaragua)
26   José Gomes Pinheiro Machado (Brazil)
27   Joaquín Sinforiano de Jesús Crespo Torres (Venezuela)
28   Juan Velasco Alvarado (Peru)
29   Víctor Raúl Haya de la Torre (Peru)
30   Hugo Chávez (Venezuela)

GROUP E
1   Ruy Barbosa (Brazil)
2   Lázaro Cárdenas (Mexico)
3   José Miguel Gómez (Cuba)
4   Juan María Bordaberry (Uruguay)
5   Domingo F. Sarmiento (Argentina)
6   Mario García Menocal (Cuba)
7   Rafael Antonio Caldera (Venezuela)
8   Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua)
9   Dom Pedro I (Brazil)
10   Tomás Estrada Palma (Cuba)
11   Luis Carlos Prestes (Brazil)
12   Patricio Aylwin (Chile)
13   Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira (Brazil)
14   Álvaro Obregón (Mexico)
15   Hilarión Daza (Bolivia)
16   Joaquim Nabuco (Brazil)
17   José Figueres Ferrer (Costa Rica)
18   José María Campo Serrano (Colombia)
19   Omar Torrijos (Panama)
20   José Manuel Pando (Bolivia)
21   Raúl Castro (Cuba)
22   Mariano Ospina Pérez (Colombia)
23   Júlio Prates de Castilhos (Brazil)
24   Agustín Pedro Justo (Argentina)
25   Jorge Pacheco Areco (Uruguay)
26   Joaquín Balaguer (Dominican Republic)
27   Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (Bolivia)
28   Arturo Alessandri (Chile)
29   Princess Imperial Isabel (Brazil)
30   Evo Morales (Bolivia)
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2010, 09:22:07 AM »

Awesome!
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2010, 05:47:50 PM »

Wow... Congratulations for this splendid list !
What a work to "scan" history of all the states and to pick the real big ones, while trying to balance the decades and the countries !

Well, nothing much to say, really.

Some may argue that Carlos Salinas (Mex) or Cesar Gaviria (Col) should have been here, but not so much.
Including Mario Vargas Llosa (especially him) or Javier Perez de Cuellar could have been more discussed but would have entailed other "political" writers or thinkers and other second-tier politicians with international weight.
As for Chile, I'm a bit sceptic about Aylwin or Bachelet (one of the 2 in fact, but not both of them), but it's no worth changing this.
Sub-commandate Marcos or Eden Pastora would have deserved a seat only a "guerilleros" survivor...

Maybe my only regret is ... Abimael Guzman !!! Cheesy

(Apart from Theodore Roosevelt, of course Grin)
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 08:34:58 PM »

Luis Carlos Prestes has replaced Costa e Silva.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 04:43:22 PM »

GROUP A
Pinochet 6, d'Aubuisson 1, Castro 1


GROUP B
Fujimori 3, Iturbide 2, Che 1, Allende 1, Uriburu 1


GROUP C
Trujillo 7, Goulart 1


GROUP D
Chávez 4, Somoza 2, Aramburu 2, Menem 1


GROUP E
Torrijos 5, Ortega 1, Justo 1, Isabel 1

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 04:33:11 AM »

Chavez is out and that's a big and fine surprise. His photo is fantastic !

BTW, Hash, what rule do you intend to apply when there is a tie ?

Hans, PiT and me are taking into account votes from previous rounds: this is simple and smoother for the organization of the survivor (and fairer for those who "work" a lot by voting in each round).

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 04:30:29 PM »

GROUP A
Stroessner 3 (coin toss), Médici 3, d’Aubuisson 2, Castro 1


GROUP B
Uriburu 3, Che 2, Iturbide 1, Fonseca 1


GROUP C
Batista 4 (coin toss), Rosas 4, Walker 1


GROUP D
Somoza 7, Velasco 1


GROUP E
Justo 6, Ortega 2


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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 05:42:12 PM »

GROUP A
d’Aubuisson 5, Médici 3, Castro 1


GROUP B
Iturbide 4, Fonseca 3, Che 2


GROUP C
Rosas 8, Galtieri 1


GROUP D
Aramburu 3 (2 from previous rounds), Noriega 3 (0 from previous rounds), Gómez 2, Alessandri 1


GROUP E
Ortega 5, Balaguer 3, Isabel 1
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2010, 05:33:07 PM »

GROUP A
Videla 4, Médici 4, Castro 2, Vargas 1, Banzer 1
 

GROUP B
Che 4, Fonseca 3, Hernández 2, Onganía 2, Allende 1
 

GROUP C
Galtieri 4, Walker 4, Castello Branco 3, Perón 1, Goulart 1
 

GROUP D
Noriega 5, Díaz 3, FS López 1, Gómez 2, Velasco 1, Crespo 1, Alessandri 1
 

GROUP E
Balaguer 5, R Castro 4, Pando 1, Morales 1, Dom Pedro I 1
 
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2010, 10:00:25 AM »

GROUP A
Castro 4, Roca 1, Banzer 1, Maximillian I 1


GROUP B
Hernández 6, Allende 1


GROUP C
Castello Branco 6, Goulart 1


GROUP D
Solano López 4, Gómez 2, Menem 1


GROUP E
Pando 4, Bordaberry 2

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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2010, 05:18:51 PM »

GROUP A
Roca 5, Maximillian I 1


GROUP B
Estrada 3, Ongania 2, Allende 1


GROUP C
Ibáñez 4, Perón 1, Santa Anna 1


GROUP D
Gómez 5, Velasco 1, Menem 1


GROUP E
Bordaberry 3, Dom Pedro I 2, Morales 1

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 08:07:05 AM »

GROUP A
Maximilian I 2 (2 in previous rounds), Vargas 2 (1 in previous rounds), Frei 1, Eva Péron 1, López 1


GROUP B
Onganía 5, Allende 1, Machado 1


GROUP C
Santa Anna 4, Moríñigo 2, Perón 1


GROUP D
Leguía y Salcedo 4, Carías 2, Crespo 1


GROUP E
Castilhos 3, Daza 2, Ospina, Dom Pedro I

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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 11:22:13 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 04:45:33 PM »

GROUP A
Isabel Perón 5, López 1, Banzer 1


GROUP B
Machado 3 (1 in previous rounds), Geisel 3 (0 in previous rounds), Allende 1


GROUP C
Moríñigo 4, Pérez 1, Sarney 1


GROUP D
Carías 4, Crespo 2, Menem 1


GROUP E
Daza 6, D Pedro I 1

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2010, 05:13:39 PM »

GROUP A
Banzer 6, Vargas 1


GROUP B
Geisel 6, Allende 1


GROUP C
Pérez 4, Sarney 1, García 1, Duarte 1


GROUP D
Crespo 6, Velasco 1


GROUP E
Menocal 3, Morales 2, D Pedro I 1

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2010, 05:03:52 PM »

GROUP A
Díaz Ordaz 5, López 2


GROUP B
Carrera 3 (eliminated by coin toss), Luís 3, Allende 1


GROUP C
Sarney 5, Goulart 1, Duarte 1


GROUP D
Velasco 6, Menem 1


GROUP E
Dom Pedro I 4, Morales 3
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2010, 07:46:48 PM »

My God, Daniel Adams has bad votes.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 05:02:47 PM »

GROUP A
López 5, Hilario López 2, Frei 2


GROUP B
Luís 5, Lacerda 2, Allende 1, Paz 1


GROUP C
Duarte 6, Balmaceda 3


GROUP D
Videla 6, Pinheiro Machado 1, Mitre 1, de la Madrid 1


GROUP E
Ospina 6, Morales 3
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 09:58:01 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2010, 10:00:16 PM by Getúlio L'Hermine Vargas »

GROUP A
Hilario López 7, Frei 2


GROUP B
Lacerda 7, Paz 1, Allende 1


GROUP C
Balmaceda 4 (3 in previous rounds), Flores 4, Correa 1


GROUP D
García 4, Pinheiro Machado 1, Mitre 1, Menem 2, de la Madrid 1


GROUP E
Estrada 6, Morales 3
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 04:47:27 PM »

GROUP A
E Perón 7, Antonio López 2, Frei 1,

Juan's little doll

GROUP B
Peixoto 7, Paz 1, Flores 1, Sáenz Peña 1

Visionary republican... or oligarchic republican?

GROUP C
Flores 7, Perón 3, Uribe 1

Damn, he's brave.

GROUP D
Menem 6, Mitre 1, Haya de la Torre 1

Carlos Menem: A real God!

GROUP E
Sánchez de Lozada 7, Morales 2, Isabel 1

"Mmm... No."
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 05:24:08 PM »

I like your comments Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2010, 05:29:26 PM »

GROUP A
Antonio López 6, Frei 1, Vargas 1

A bit skeptic...

GROUP B
Flores 6, Paz 1, Allende 1

Murdered by the Atlas Forum!

GROUP C
Piérola 4, Perón 3, Correa 1

Democratic caudillo... and Peruvian Bonaparte?

GROUP D
Mitre 5, de la Madrid 2, P Machado 1

A real General

GROUP E
Pacheco 5, Morales 2, Obregón 1

"I have been eliminated from a subversive Survivor on a Yankee board!"
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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2010, 09:00:33 PM »

GROUP A
Huerta 7, Vargas 2

What do you want?

GROUP B
Paz 8, Allende 1

Casually smoking a pipe while he's ousted!

GROUP C
Celman 7, García 2


GROUP D
P Machado 5, J Alessandri 2, de la Madrid 2,


GROUP E
Obregón 7, Morales 2

Something's missing!
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« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2010, 06:03:49 PM »

GROUP A
Núñez 4, Grau 2, Vargas 2, Zelaya 1

A pensive man in his books...

GROUP B
Prado 8, Allende 1

The old patriarch in his younger days

GROUP C
Correa 4, Baron of Rio Branco 2, García 2, Uribe 1


GROUP D
de la Madrid 4, Alessandri 3, de la Mar 2


GROUP E
A Alessandri 5, Morales 4

With his dog
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