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k-onmmunist
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« on: January 25, 2010, 06:33:05 AM »

Are there any that have never voted Labour, OR never voted Tory in their entire existence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterbury_(UK_Parliament_constituency) - Voted Tory consistently since 1885, but I'm not sure about before that.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 06:35:23 AM »

Mean to rephrase the question. Are there any seats that have won a seat consistently? I know alot of new seats have been, but I mean pre WWII too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 07:06:44 AM »
« Edited: January 25, 2010, 07:12:33 AM by Stanislaus Demba »

Have Fun!

EDIT: Doesn't list MP's parties. Oops. I didn't remember that.


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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 07:32:15 AM »

The only area of the country to have never had a Tory MP since 1832 is South Shields. Its a much longer list if you date things from the beginning of working class enfranchisement.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 04:19:56 PM »

The only area of the country to have never had a Tory MP since 1832 is South Shields. Its a much longer list if you date things from the beginning of working class enfranchisement.

Ah, interesting. How about from 1867?
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 04:34:59 PM »

The only area of the country to have never had a Tory MP since 1832 is South Shields. Its a much longer list if you date things from the beginning of working class enfranchisement.

Ah, interesting. How about from 1867?

I would presume a longer list, but maybe not that long - the Liberal Party started doing badly in the cities in the last few decades of the 19th century*. The key date is 1884/1885 (working class householders outside the boroughs getting the vote/the first 'modern' constituency boundaries). From that point, we're dealing with large parts of the Yorkshire and Durham coalfields, most of the older industrial areas in Wales and Scotland and maybe still some random areas outside those two groups.

Areas that have never gone Labour... that is obviously a much longer list. But you can add 1945 and 1997 together and you have almost everywhere to have ever had a Labour M.P... the only exception I can think of at the moment is Boston in Lincolnshire (which had one in the early 20s but never since).

*The party that was hit hardest by the rise of Labour in Manchester at the beginning of the twentieth century was actually the Tories, for example.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 06:06:23 PM »

Moray, most seats in Aberdeenshire barring Aberdeen itself, Angus (less Dundee) and northern Perthshire have not had Labour MP's as far as I can tell. Neither has Argyll or Orkney/Shetland.
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2010, 06:30:50 PM »

What seat has had an MP from neither party for the longest time?
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2010, 06:41:43 PM »

What seat has had an MP from neither party for the longest time?

Orkney & Shetland; Liberal-LibDem since 1950.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2010, 06:44:46 PM »

What seat has had an MP from neither party for the longest time?

Orkney & Shetland; Liberal-LibDem since 1950.

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 04:18:56 AM »

What seat has had an MP from neither party for the longest time?

Orkney & Shetland; Liberal-LibDem since 1950.

Till the seas gang dry.
Ah; I'd been wondering about the meaning of the phrase "I gang like a ghaist" in a certain Scottish poem I recently came across.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 05:58:50 PM »

Horsham (incl. Horsham & Worthing, and Horsham & Crawley seats) has been continuously represented by a Tory since 1880, possibly further back - Wikipedia isn't sure!!

The seat that Dorking has resided in is probably a good contender for continuous Tory representation as well.

There is probably quite a long list of seats that have never been represented by Labour (helped by the fact that the Labour Party became a serious political force in the 1920s in terms of seats), whilst I suspect the Conservative list is somewhat shorter due to the rotten state of democracy pre-Reform Acts.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 06:52:24 PM »

If you're looking for continuous representation for the Tories the best place to look for would be rural areas (or rather; areas that were rural until the spread of the suburbs) without much of a history of Nonconformity. Which, in practice, means parts of Kent, parts of Surrey and parts of Sussex. Maybe parts of Worcestershire, though I'm not sure...
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2010, 09:43:51 AM »

Source: University of Sheffield

Since 1950, the following seats have never elected a Conservative or a Labour MP

Orkney and Shetland (Liberal / Alliance / Liberal Democrat 1950 - 2005

Longest Continous Chain of Election wins for non Con and Lab candidates

Tweedale, Ettrick and Lauderdale (Liberal February 1974 - 2005)
Truro and St. Austell (Liberal October 1974 - 2005)
Berwick upon Tweed (Liberal 1979 - 2005)
Roxburgh and Berwickshire (Liberal 1979 - 2005)
Montgomeryshire (Liberal 1983 - 2005)
Ross, Skye and Inverness West (Liberal 1983 - 2005)
Southwark North and Bermondsey (Liberal 1983 - 2005)
Yeovil (Liberal 1983 - 2005)



 
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2010, 02:44:44 PM »

Add to the list

Ceredigion (74 to date)
Caernarfon (74 to date)
Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (&predecessor) (74 to date)
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2010, 03:15:14 PM »

Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (&predecessor) (74 to date)

Most of it - the 'Nant Conwy' part was in a Tory seat until 1983. Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross (if that still be the name) ought to be there as well (again, since '83).
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2010, 07:42:15 PM »
« Edited: January 27, 2010, 07:44:10 PM by Kevinstat »

Meirionnydd Nant Conwy (&predecessor) (74 to date)

Most of it - the 'Nant Conwy' part was in a Tory seat until 1983.

Did the Tories lose that seat in 1983?  And if so, were the same lines used as in 1979?

Caithness Sutherland and Easter Ross (if that still be the name) ought to be there as well (again, since '83).

Same question except that also I'm not sure what party those seats (or that seat if it's just a long name that looks like it could be two constituency names) were held by just before beginning their streak of non-Tory, non-Labour representation in 1983 or 1987.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 07:53:28 PM »

Did the Tories lose that seat in 1983?  And if so, were the same lines used as in 1979?

No. The Nant Conwy area was added to the seat in 1983 - before then it'd be part of Conway (Tory from 1970). Meirionnydd hasn't had a Tory M.P since the mid nineteenth century.

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Caithness & Sutherland was Bob Mclennan's seat. Mclennan was in the SDP by 1983, but was first elected (for Labour) in 1966. Mclennan ousted a Liberal one-termer; before then it had been Tory since 1945 (actually Independent Conservative in 1959, but whatever) but Liberal beforehand for a very long time. As a Labour M.P, Mclennan was mostly re-elected off his personal vote.
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 08:09:15 PM »


Liberal gain, later lost to Plaid (in a massive, massive upset) in 1992, regained by the LibDems in 2005.

A somewhat surreal Labour seat between 1966-1974 (Elystan Morgan was the M.P). Before then it had been Liberal longer than anywhere else in the country.

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A Plaid gain (and hold since), but before then had been Labour since its creation in 1950. The fascinating Goronwy Roberts was the M.P. It was created out of the bulk of the old Caernarfonshire seat and parts of Caernarfon Boroughs. Caernarfonshire was a Liberal stronghold most of the time, but NWQU strength led to Labour strength and a shock (though short-lived) victory in the '20s and an easy gain (with Goronwy Roberts as candidate) in 1945. Caernarfon Boroughs is, of course, the most famous constituency in Welsh political history. Before and after David Lloyd George it was the Tory seat it was supposed to be.

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Another Plaid gain and hold. Before then, Meirionnydd was a longtime Liberal stronghold (a notable M.P was T.E.Ellis), but fell to Labour in 1951.
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« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 01:08:45 PM »

Of course, there's quite a number of seats on the following pattern:

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Election    Member    Party
1918    Jack Edwards    Liberal
1922    Ramsay MacDonald    Labour
1929    William Cove    Labour
1959    Sir John Morris    Labour
2001    Hywel Francis    Labour

This is Aberavon, created in 1918.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2010, 01:22:49 PM »

Of course, there's quite a number of seats on the following pattern:

Members of Parliament
Election    Member    Party
1918    Jack Edwards    Liberal
1922    Ramsay MacDonald    Labour
1929    William Cove    Labour
1959    Sir John Morris    Labour
2001    Hywel Francis    Labour

This is Aberavon, created in 1918.

Hilariously it didn't become safe for Labour until after MacDonald stopped being the candidate!
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