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« Reply #2575 on: December 10, 2010, 11:27:14 pm »
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I'm going to talk to my youth minister who is also an electrician by trade and see what he thinks and recommends.  I know it can be physically demanding, but considering my size that's not necessarily a bad thing.  It would be better for my health than sitting behind a desk for 8-hours a day.  Plus, I looked online and apprentices can make around $15-$18 an hour, which is more than I've ever made.
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« Reply #2576 on: December 10, 2010, 11:30:43 pm »
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Well, if you want to do it, think you'd enjoy it and think you'd be able to sort out an apprenticeship with someone (or company or whatever; I don't know anything about the structure of the trade in the U.S, obviously) they, yeah. Go for it; it's skilled and stable employment. But do you know what you'd be getting in for? It can be rewarding, but it is also hard work. And it isn't nearly as lucrative as is commonly assumed, at least not here (people tend to assume that electricians keep all the money they charge as wages. Actually, no. The majority goes on supplies and the like). It pays decently, but you won't do very well out of it unless there's a major shortage of electricians where you live. Also, being an apprentice can be less than entirely wonderful and customers can be deceitful bastards at times. If you're serious about the idea, talk it through with people in the trade and see what they think.

I have several friends who are union electricians. I'm sure those aren't big in Oklahoma though.  They do extremely well for themselves when they work, however, when the economy goes south you can not get called for work for a while.
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« Reply #2577 on: December 10, 2010, 11:34:07 pm »
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A great job to have in this economy is a repo man.

I would love that job. Of course I have a tough time seeing BushOK doing it but imagine how satisfying it would be to head to some suburban cul-de-sac, pick the lock of the overpriced car in the driveway and drive it off completely oblivious to the former owner and having it be completely legal.
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« Reply #2578 on: December 10, 2010, 11:35:55 pm »
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A great job to have in this economy is a repo man.

I would love that job. Of course I have a tough time seeing BushOK doing it but imagine how satisfying it would be to head to some suburban cul-de-sac, pick the lock of the overpriced car in the driveway and drive it off completely oblivious to the former owner and having it be completely legal.

It really never crosses your mind how truly moronic you are from such a deep place, does it?
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« Reply #2579 on: December 10, 2010, 11:38:27 pm »
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I just like the idea of kind of a thrilling job. Legally stealing cars and sort of playing detective in tracking them down seems rather exciting to me. I'd feel the same way about Seth Rogen's job in Pineapple Express even though he wasn't doing anything that would be illegal under most circumstances.

I'd feel the same way about working for the CIA if they didn't do such horrible things.
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« Reply #2580 on: December 10, 2010, 11:39:25 pm »
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Well, if you want to do it, think you'd enjoy it and think you'd be able to sort out an apprenticeship with someone (or company or whatever; I don't know anything about the structure of the trade in the U.S, obviously) they, yeah. Go for it; it's skilled and stable employment. But do you know what you'd be getting in for? It can be rewarding, but it is also hard work. And it isn't nearly as lucrative as is commonly assumed, at least not here (people tend to assume that electricians keep all the money they charge as wages. Actually, no. The majority goes on supplies and the like). It pays decently, but you won't do very well out of it unless there's a major shortage of electricians where you live. Also, being an apprentice can be less than entirely wonderful and customers can be deceitful bastards at times. If you're serious about the idea, talk it through with people in the trade and see what they think.

I have several friends who are union electricians. I'm sure those aren't big in Oklahoma though.  They do extremely well for themselves when they work, however, when the economy goes south you can not get called for work for a while.

This youth minister works for a company in Midwest City doing electrical work for them, so he's not working alone.

I do have another friend that is a self-employed drywall installer employing (legal) mexicans.  He does have his good times and he has his down times, as well.  There was a period at the end of 2009 where he went nearly 6-7 weeks without any meaningful job.
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« Reply #2581 on: December 11, 2010, 12:04:10 am »
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I just like the idea of kind of a thrilling job. Legally stealing cars and sort of playing detective in tracking them down seems rather exciting to me. I'd feel the same way about Seth Rogen's job in Pineapple Express even though he wasn't doing anything that would be illegal under most circumstances.

I'd feel the same way about working for the CIA if they didn't do such horrible things.

So playing by the rules and making people miserable is your idea of a thrill.  Not surprising.

PS - Pineapple Express is a movie
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« Reply #2582 on: December 11, 2010, 01:06:54 am »
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i think i am going to at least talk to my youth minister and get his thoughts. (this is from my wii!)
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« Reply #2583 on: December 11, 2010, 02:18:11 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?
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« Reply #2584 on: December 11, 2010, 02:37:05 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?

Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.  Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Besides, what is so bad about the advice he's giving me now, with the electrician gig?
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« Reply #2585 on: December 11, 2010, 02:52:20 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?

Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.  Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Besides, what is so bad about the advice he's giving me now, with the electrician gig?

Have you expressed an interest in being an electrician?

I know people who have undertaken apprenticeships, and even those who have a dream of being a carpenter, mechanic etc have left - it's a long-haul slog... even for those who want it.

 
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« Reply #2586 on: December 11, 2010, 02:55:13 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?

Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.  Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Besides, what is so bad about the advice he's giving me now, with the electrician gig?

Sure you are meant for physical work?  I know I can lift a decent amount but cardio-wise no frigging way.  And from what you tell me, we aren't much different.  Being an apprentice means you will be doing some demanding physical work. Something meant for a 19 year old in good shape, not us.
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« Reply #2587 on: December 11, 2010, 03:13:39 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?

Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.  Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Besides, what is so bad about the advice he's giving me now, with the electrician gig?

I was wondering if you were given better advice from your family then if you would have still gone through with it.

Aside from that while some people can give bad advice in one instance it doesn't mean all the advice is bad, when the advice is that horrific I would question going back to it as it relates to something job related.

As others have pointed out this is something that takes a huge commitment, it can also be a physically demanding job as Flyers pointed out.   You don't exactly need to be in great shape, but being in poor shape probably won't cut it.

I know you said you will also seek the advice of your youth minister, but this seems like again one of the things you are jumping right into without thinking it over fully.

In addition to whether you see yourself actually doing this or not, or if you can handle it from a physical standpoint, you have other things.  For starters as you said it takes 4-5 years to become an apprentice, well what could you do during the meantime?  What kind of jobs would you be able to work during the mean time?  If you wouldn't be able to have much of an income during this 4-5 year period, what would you do?  Could you afford to go that long on little income?

If you are going to think about doing something like this you need to give it very serious thought, not just talk to a few people and decide from there.  It can't be let me ask a couple people about it and see what they think. 

When you discuss things on here and post about your life you are very concerned with detail and go into very specific detail.  However, you don't seem to do the same thing when you think about a job change or a career change.  Its suddenly that specific detail isn't important anymore.  You just can't do that.  If you are really serious about this you need to dot every I, cross every T, BEFORE you jump in, the same way you would if you were going into detail on the board about your life story.
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« Reply #2588 on: December 11, 2010, 03:21:35 am »
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I don't mean to bash your father, but the advice he has previously given you was absolutely horrendous.  So I would take his advice with a grain of salt.  The sometimes you need to step out on a leap of faith with the whole on-company thing was truly one of the most horrific pieces of advice I have ever heard.

If your dad, family and friends were jumping up and down telling you not to do it with the way we were during the whole on-company fiasco instead of being the leap of faith crap, do you think you would have quite your job at the Gas company?

Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.  Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Besides, what is so bad about the advice he's giving me now, with the electrician gig?

Sure you are meant for physical work?  I know I can lift a decent amount but cardio-wise no frigging way.  And from what you tell me, we aren't much different.  Being an apprentice means you will be doing some demanding physical work. Something meant for a 19 year old in good shape, not us.

well, i've got to do something right? it would be a good time to change my health, no?

Smash, it takes 4-5 yrs of apprenticeship to become a full electrician. i could start out as an apprentice making roughly $30k a year.
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« Reply #2589 on: December 11, 2010, 09:24:46 am »
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Bushie, now is not the time to dust of the wii and get sucked into video games. You need to be looking as hard as you can for employment.
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« Reply #2590 on: December 11, 2010, 10:43:54 am »
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Come on, that was 4 1/2 months ago.

Not that long.

Why do you keep saying he constantly gives bad advice based on ONE circumstance?

Advising to do something that bad is the sort of thing you can't live down.
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« Reply #2591 on: December 11, 2010, 10:48:34 am »
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This looks like one of the first halfway good ideas in this entire thread.
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« Reply #2592 on: December 11, 2010, 12:13:04 pm »
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Bushie, now is not the time to dust of the wii and get sucked into video games. You need to be looking as hard as you can for employment.

I'm dusting off the wii not so much for video games, but so I can get some exercise.

Mom, Dad, and Grandma have all told me now to suspend the job search until January 3.  Here are their words, paraphrased, "Give yourself a break, and don't do a whole lot between now and the end of the year.  Think of places to apply over the next three weeks, and then on January 3 hit the pavement hard.  It doesn't mean you can't still look, but be very, very selective about what you get into, or what you even apply for."

Whether that's a good idea or not, it's the idea I'm going to follow.

I am, though, going to inquire further about the apprenticeship.
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« Reply #2593 on: December 11, 2010, 12:53:11 pm »
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Bushie, now is not the time to dust of the wii and get sucked into video games. You need to be looking as hard as you can for employment.

I'm dusting off the wii not so much for video games, but so I can get some exercise.

Mom, Dad, and Grandma have all told me now to suspend the job search until January 3.  Here are their words, paraphrased, "Give yourself a break, and don't do a whole lot between now and the end of the year.  Think of places to apply over the next three weeks, and then on January 3 hit the pavement hard.  It doesn't mean you can't still look, but be very, very selective about what you get into, or what you even apply for."

Whether that's a good idea or not, it's the idea I'm going to follow.

I am, though, going to inquire further about the apprenticeship.

I also had parents telling me to suspend the CPA studying because 1 particular part is kicking my ass.  Yeah, not happening.  They're right about being selective.  Hey, you file for unemployment?  I know you live in a FAR more right winged state than I, but give it a shot.  PA is usually employee friendly, don't know about OK.

As for the electrician apprenticeship, you have to realize you're not right out of high school and in decent shape.  Most only want youth for their programs say under 25 to start.  We're too darn old to start something like that.  Granted there are out of shapes in such jobs, but they paid their dues and I think you're probably in no position to "pay them" if you know what I mean. 
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« Reply #2594 on: December 11, 2010, 01:32:53 pm »
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Bushie, now is not the time to dust of the wii and get sucked into video games. You need to be looking as hard as you can for employment.

I'm dusting off the wii not so much for video games, but so I can get some exercise.

Mom, Dad, and Grandma have all told me now to suspend the job search until January 3.  Here are their words, paraphrased, "Give yourself a break, and don't do a whole lot between now and the end of the year.  Think of places to apply over the next three weeks, and then on January 3 hit the pavement hard.  It doesn't mean you can't still look, but be very, very selective about what you get into, or what you even apply for."

Whether that's a good idea or not, it's the idea I'm going to follow.

I am, though, going to inquire further about the apprenticeship.

I also had parents telling me to suspend the CPA studying because 1 particular part is kicking my ass.  Yeah, not happening.  They're right about being selective.  Hey, you file for unemployment?  I know you live in a FAR more right winged state than I, but give it a shot.  PA is usually employee friendly, don't know about OK.

As for the electrician apprenticeship, you have to realize you're not right out of high school and in decent shape.  Most only want youth for their programs say under 25 to start.  We're too darn old to start something like that.  Granted there are out of shapes in such jobs, but they paid their dues and I think you're probably in no position to "pay them" if you know what I mean. 

I'll file for unemployment on Monday.  I seriously doubt I'll get anything, but it's worth a shot.  The unemployment office is just 3 miles from my house, so it's not a long drive.

Like I said in the next three weeks, I'm going to make a list of places to apply at.  Starting January 3, I'm going to hit these places up and do whatever I can do to get on somewhere.  I am going to look at retail and grocery, including Wal-Mart.  I'll also keep looking for a steady job, but starting January 3, I will definitely need to find something as a filler and as a source of income until I do find what I'm looking for.  I'm also going to look at jobs like sacking groceries, something 16-year-olds do.  There is also a temp agency that staffs temps for the tax commission, I'm going to look there as it will be tax season.  As far as big jobs, I'm going to apply at Tinker and with the State.  I'm going to hit up a bunch of temp agencies.  I'm just trying to find something.

Believe me, once January 3 gets here, I'm not going to be wasting any time.  I'll be making the job search my full-time job.  In the mean time, I'm just going to be enjoying the rest of the year and say good riddance to 2010.
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« Reply #2595 on: December 11, 2010, 06:04:36 pm »
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Other idea for you Bushie- nursing.  Highly in demand and high paying, especially for men.  The ratio is north of 8 to 1 women (romantic prospects! Smiley )and hospitals seem to want to diversify beyond white females.
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« Reply #2596 on: December 11, 2010, 06:10:58 pm »
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Other idea for you Bushie- nursing.  Highly in demand and high paying, especially for men.  The ratio is north of 8 to 1 women (romantic prospects! Smiley )and hospitals seem to want to diversify beyond white females.

Oh gosh, I'm going to have to put my foot down there.  I get anemic at the sight of too much blood!! Plus, with my size, I don't think the hospitals wants to employ a nurse that is very, very likely to be the one needing the nursing!!
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« Reply #2597 on: December 11, 2010, 06:20:04 pm »
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Regarding the electrician thing, I am not sure a fat could fit into the tight spaces into which  a wiring guy needs to fit. I have seen the slither-in act with my own two little beady eyes.
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« Reply #2598 on: December 11, 2010, 06:30:59 pm »
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^^ I would definitely avoid electrician/cable/heating and air jobs as they tend to be very hard on fats. I know the guys that come to my house fit in the smallest places! I don't know how they do it.
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« Reply #2599 on: December 11, 2010, 06:33:33 pm »
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I know the guys that come to my house fit in the smallest places!

That's what your Mom said.
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