Update Thread and Other Ramblings by BushOklahoma

[memphis]

"Don't quit everytime somebody does something you don't like. If I quit every time I got unhappy, I'd never make a living."

This is true when you're working an actual job. Just quit this scam already. You know it's coming.

[Gravis Marketing]

Do you believe you can procure 5-6 referrals from a customer? They won't just give them to you, you'd need to push to get them to refer their friends for a vacuum demo.

Yes, because it happens on virtually every appointment.

Would you give the name of 5-6 friends to a salesman?

[Grumps]

Do you believe you can procure 5-6 referrals from a customer? They won't just give them to you, you'd need to push to get them to refer their friends for a vacuum demo.

Yes, because it happens on virtually every appointment.

Would you give the name of 5-6 friends to a salesman?

Only if I wanted to lose those 5-6 friends.  If they gave him my name, I might hurt them.

[BushKenya]

Do you believe you can procure 5-6 referrals from a customer? They won't just give them to you, you'd need to push to get them to refer their friends for a vacuum demo.

Yes, because it happens on virtually every appointment.

Would you give the name of 5-6 friends to a salesman?

It depends on two things - the salesman himself, and the product he's trying to present.  If it's a product that I think my friends and family could use, and the salesman is friendly, not pushy, I would refer the salesman to them and let them make up their own mind.  I don't think it's fair for me to make up the mind of my friends and family for them whether good or bad.

[Grumps]

I don't think it's fair for me to make up the mind of my friends and family for them whether good or bad.

Not a bad line to use during the sales pitch.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

Thankfully, since I haven't gotten paid, yet, I wouldn't have to put this on my resume', it would just be in the "lesson learned" category.

You... know nothing obligates you to put a job on your resume, right?

[Wrecking Ball and Chain]

Ha. The problem is this clearly won't be a "lesson learned" as if you learned anything you would've never taken in it the first place. We all clearly told you not to and that it wouldn't work since day one as well.

Also I have a feeling BushOklahoma didn't do well in math classes if you he thinks a system relying on constant referrals is sustainable.

[BushKenya]

Ha. The problem is this clearly won't be a "lesson learned" as if you learned anything you would've never taken in it the first place. We all clearly told you not to and that it wouldn't work since day one as well.

Also I have a feeling BushOklahoma didn't do well in math classes if you he thinks a system relying on constant referrals is sustainable.

Actually, I went all the way through Calculus AB in High School and didn't get my first C until Calc, all the others were A's and B's.

I want you to be honest with me.  If I quit this gig, will you give me a weeks-long barrage of "I told you so, you idiot" or will you forget about it and move on?

[memphis]

Ha. The problem is this clearly won't be a "lesson learned" as if you learned anything you would've never taken in it the first place. We all clearly told you not to and that it wouldn't work since day one as well.

Also I have a feeling BushOklahoma didn't do well in math classes if you he thinks a system relying on constant referrals is sustainable.

Actually, I went all the way through Calculus AB in High School and didn't get my first C until Calc, all the others were A's and B's.

I want you to be honest with me.  If I quit this gig, will you give me a weeks-long barrage of "I told you so, you idiot" or will you forget about it and move on?

Quit now and we'll never speak of this mishap again. Future decisions are fair game.

[Grumps]

Quit now and we'll never speak of this mishap again. Future decisions are fair game.

As is future lying.

[All life is a blur of Republicans and meat.]

Ha. The problem is this clearly won't be a "lesson learned" as if you learned anything you would've never taken in it the first place. We all clearly told you not to and that it wouldn't work since day one as well.

Also I have a feeling BushOklahoma didn't do well in math classes if you he thinks a system relying on constant referrals is sustainable.

Actually, I went all the way through Calculus AB in High School and didn't get my first C until Calc, all the others were A's and B's.

I want you to be honest with me.  If I quit this gig, will you give me a weeks-long barrage of "I told you so, you idiot" or will you forget about it and move on?

Will there be a week between now and the next scam?

[BushKenya]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

[King]

I want you to be honest with me.  If I quit this gig, will you give me a weeks-long barrage of "I told you so, you idiot" or will you forget about it and move on?

Bushie, this isn't about us.  Quit that job because it's bad for you.  We aren't telling you not to sell vacuums because we want to see you fail and prove our superiority.  We are telling that because we've all been approached by scams before and know what they look like.

Look at the thread Fritz made about a potential insurance job.  Grumps works in insurance and gave him advice.  BRTD works at a call center, has done temp jobs before, and gave you advice.  Nym did sales before and gave you advice.  All of us have been employed before in some capacity and gave you advice.

Most of what we tell you is simply just that.  Any cynicism and sarcasm in this thread is entirely because you seem to ignore it.  So here's some:

DON'T go for the job that "pays the best."  Go for the job that looks the most stable.  Even if it's not a huge salary, it's something. A low paying job for the State of Oklahoma or a recognizable name like Coca-Cola is better than a "good" paying job for some unknown classified ad.  Oh, and, try for data entry, not because it may be all you can do--I guarantee it isn't--but it's the job that led to your most stable source of employment in ONG and therefore is the most sure bet.

[King]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

Did you tell her about your Tourette's?  While it being in your field may help, call centers are still gut wrenchingly difficult.  If she's legitimately with Dell, also be sure to ask her if they have any positions that doesn't require you to be answering phone calls.

[Mr. Morden]

I want you to be honest with me.  If I quit this gig, will you give me a weeks-long barrage of "I told you so, you idiot" or will you forget about it and move on?

Clearly, the number one consideration in one's career decisions is how a small group of anonymous posters on an internet messageboard will react.

[VP Duke]

I wish BuskOK would find himself another woman. I enjoyed reading about his love life by far, especially the classic pregnancy scare and sleeping off the sip of wine.

[Smash255]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

Why are you so obsessed with selling vacuums and working for a call center??

[BushKenya]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

Why are you so obsessed with selling vacuums and working for a call center??

Why do you insist on criticizing every single employment decision I make?  If I went for a data entry job, they only pay $8-$10 an hour, at most $11.  I can't make it off of just $10 an hour.  $13 an hour is much better.  I'm trying to shake off my parents' help before I turn 30 years old and I can't do it if I'm only making $10 an hour.  It will be a lot easier with $13.  Also, I've been trying to find something close to my degree field since I graduated 4 years ago.  This is the first thing I've found.

[WalterMitty]

am i the only one disturbed by the number of lies bushie has been telling lately?

i think we now know that his termination at his last job was 'call related', despite his denials...

[Senator Ben]

Why do you insist on criticizing every single employment decision I make?

Because most of them involve scams and lying to people close to you.

[J-Mann]

am i the only one disturbed by the number of lies bushie has been telling lately?

i think we now know that his termination at his last job was 'call related', despite his denials...

I agree -- Jeff, I know you believe you're the most stable person in the world and have an iron grip on reality, but -- employment struggles aside -- flat out telling lies to people ought to be a big-time warning for you. Something ain't right upstairs, buddy ... you've got issues that need professional help to be worked out. Hocus-pocus and claptrap haven’t gotten you to where you need to be, so maybe try a licensed therapist.

Why do you insist on criticizing every single employment decision I make?  If I went for a data entry job, they only pay $8-$10 an hour, at most $11.  I can't make it off of just $10 an hour.  $13 an hour is much better.  I'm trying to shake off my parents' help before I turn 30 years old and I can't do it if I'm only making $10 an hour.  It will be a lot easier with $13.  Also, I've been trying to find something close to my degree field since I graduated 4 years ago.  This is the first thing I've found.

That's flawed logic. Totally flawed. You've failed at call centers and are self-aware enough to realize that it is due to your call quality. Forget that they told you it wasn’t ... you have Tourette’s and a stutter and are emotionally fragile and do not belong on the phone taking frustrated people’s help requests. You’ve also repeatedly failed at this “door-to-door, generate-referrals, sell-something-that-nobody-needs” business. Rainbows are damn expensive ... you aren’t going to get referrals from your demos. Business doesn’t work like that.

So any of these higher-paying jobs are going to be short-term gigs for you. Period.

This is obviously causing you an immense amount of stress ... so much so that you’re lying to friends and family about your life, and that doesn’t get any easier to manage. Forget about shaking off your parents’ help before you turn 30 ... try to land stable employment before you’re 30 instead of floating around from position to position for an extra $8.00 a day in jobs that are bound to end in you quitting or getting fired.

[VP Duke]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

Why are you so obsessed with selling vacuums and working for a call center??

Why do you insist on criticizing every single employment decision I make?  If I went for a data entry job, they only pay $8-$10 an hour, at most $11.  I can't make it off of just $10 an hour.  $13 an hour is much better.  I'm trying to shake off my parents' help before I turn 30 years old and I can't do it if I'm only making $10 an hour.  It will be a lot easier with $13.  Also, I've been trying to find something close to my degree field since I graduated 4 years ago.  This is the first thing I've found.

Would you rather be making a guaranteed $10 an hour or be making $13 an hour from 2 weeks here, be laid off 2 weeks there, etc..? You need stable employment before you worry about raises and the like. So far, you haven't had a stable job in almost a year.

Anyone notice the tone from him lately? Defensive and angry.

[King]

Bushie, tell me, what pays more money in the end:

(1) $10/hour, 40 hours a week, at a competent data entry job for the next 2 years with a potential chance for raises and advances

(2) Constantly shifting through a couple of 5 hour training sessions at sales and call center jobs that promise $13/hour before getting fired and maybe seeing a paycheck from those five hours but otherwise spending most of your time looking for work.

Your search for an extra $3-5/hour is causing you to lose steady work along with the resume building and promotion opportunity that comes with it.

Sorry if I'm criticizing you, but you need to buckle up and do some hard work that maybe doesn't even pay well if you want to really get back on your feet again.  It's not going to be easy, but it's the only way.

As for your "in degree" excuse at Dell, the Sprint call center was technically in the IT field, BTW.  I'm not saying you shouldn't try to get a job with a company like Dell.  But if it's help desk, make sure it's just for their online chat edition or something where you don't have to work the phones.

[BushKenya]

I am keeping this latest development from my facebook friends until it actually happens.  I was given an interview today, and she likes me apparently, so we're just waiting on a security clearance and background check.  I've got the documents faxed back into her.

[BushKenya]

Have I got something good or what!!!! This time it's legitimate, I promise!!!!

I was doing a little job search on Career Builder.com this afternoon and I ran across an ad for a Help Desk Technician for a client in Oklahoma City that would pay $13.00/hr.  The client happens to be Dell.  I would need a medium security clearance.  She basically did a mini-interview over the phone with me just now and she loved the fact that I have 2 years of customer service experience and a college degree in the IT field.  She is going to get me started this afternoon on the application and security clearance paperwork.  This may take about a week or so, and then she will contact Dell and ask for a start date, which will probably be in early-mid April.  It is a call center, but it's in my degree field.

Why are you so obsessed with selling vacuums and working for a call center??

Why do you insist on criticizing every single employment decision I make?  If I went for a data entry job, they only pay $8-$10 an hour, at most $11.  I can't make it off of just $10 an hour.  $13 an hour is much better.  I'm trying to shake off my parents' help before I turn 30 years old and I can't do it if I'm only making $10 an hour.  It will be a lot easier with $13.  Also, I've been trying to find something close to my degree field since I graduated 4 years ago.  This is the first thing I've found.

Would you rather be making a guaranteed $10 an hour or be making $13 an hour from 2 weeks here, be laid off 2 weeks there, etc..? You need stable employment before you worry about raises and the like. So far, you haven't had a stable job in almost a year.

Anyone notice the tone from him lately? Defensive and angry.

And, believe me, I don't like being defensive and angry.  That's not me.  I just hate it when everytime I step onto the forum I'm met with a harsh criticism of something I did or am doing.  You say you are concerned, and you may well be, but have you ever stopped to consider maybe saying something nice, or pointing out what I am doing well?  The way to encourage someone is not through constant insults and cut downs, but from encouragement and focus on what is going right.  This forum is the worlds worst at encouraging.

You have done nothing but basically imply that I'm dumb, unresponsive, stupid, mentally incompetent.  I don't think I have ever once received a kind word from this forum, or very seldom have I.  You really know how to take the fun out of reading the rest of the forum, which I love to do, because of the stigma that's now associated with "BushOklahoma".  You like to kick the horse while he's down.  You don't know how to lend the hand other than a slap across the face.