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« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2010, 08:53:37 AM »

Probably better to see Detriot as an extreme example of the damage done to American cities by various structural changes that the city government had no control over. Not that having Coleman Young as Mayor for so long helped matters much...

It is kind of tough to run a city where the underclass is five times as large as the middle class, isn't it?

Ooooh... thems bist loaded terms, so they be.

But, basically, yes. Statistics tell their own story, as ever.
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« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2010, 03:16:27 PM »

I have no idea what point you're trying to make is.

Somebody said "free trade" was one of the important reasons Detroit was a sh**t hole.  I mentioned that there was a 25% import tariff on half of Detroit's bread and butter.  That ain't "free trade".
On average, trade policies have become drastically less protectionist in the last several decades.  You referenced a single tariff on a single product; that doesn't have any statistical significance.  Read Al's last post.
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« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2010, 12:58:26 AM »

Yeah, but we were not talking about "averages", we were talking about Detroit.  Some hack here tried to say Detroit sucked because of "free trade".  He didn't say America sucked because of free trade, he said Detroit.  Clearly the auto industry doesn't operate in a "free trade" environment so there must be something else that makes Detroit suck and our hack friend has no idea what he is talking about.
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« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2010, 03:15:30 AM »

Lol.
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« Reply #79 on: February 05, 2010, 05:14:37 AM »

Detroit (as in the area inside its formal municipal boundaries) would be a shithole even if the car manufacturing industry had been doing wonderfully over the past few decades. It is, I repeat, just an extreme example of the sort of thing that happened to most large American cities in the latter half of the twentieth century.

In fact, Detroit is quite responsible for the sh**tification of most large American cities in a sense... having plugged the car which led to the building of massive freeways and made commuting possible.  It gave inner city whites the option of living together out in the burbs.  The problems got even worse with the downfall of the auto and steel industries as well as our drug policies and building styles (putting the poor all together in large housing projects)...

The decline of American cities has been solely caused by government policy and racial tension. 

In fact, the city of Colorado Springs is the way it is exactly because of our government's mass subsidization of auto-culture.  It was cheaper for businesses to locate where they could sprawl out.  And with all that cheap land, people moved there and places like Colorado Springs have been able to maintain low taxes because they have managed to hold on to people that make decent money with high employment.

With oil prices on the rise, however, that will come to an end.  Suddenly it won't be economical for people to drive 25 miles to work anymore.  Property values will decline and you will see the reverse of what happened from the 1940s to the 2000s... people will move back to the denser cities where they can travel shorter distances for less money.
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« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2010, 12:04:26 PM »

Another problem with Detroit is that Henry Ford let the banks all fail in Detroit (it is discussed in that great book on the auto industry by Halberstram (sp) I think), and the town never really developed white collar service industries in the way that most other major cities did; as a consequence its downtown always had this hollowed out kind of feeling. So it was a one act town, and when the act went down, that was the coup de grace on a place that was already reeling from a host of problems, not the least of which was a long reign of horrific governance.

But about a quarter of the acreage in Detroit is not totally empty, or nearly so (look at an aerial map), and perhaps in due course some might give it another look because it's so cheap.
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