Why slashing middle class entitlement programs may increase the budget deficit.
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 26, 2024, 12:03:22 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  Economics (Moderator: Torie)
  Why slashing middle class entitlement programs may increase the budget deficit.
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: Why slashing middle class entitlement programs may increase the budget deficit.  (Read 1629 times)
Verily
Cuivienen
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 16,663


Political Matrix
E: 1.81, S: -6.78

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2010, 11:30:28 PM »
« edited: February 12, 2010, 11:39:27 PM by Verily »

So Verily, you think government is a better judge of the correct price, than those who are willing to use their own money to pay for something, and therefore what - price controls? (Addendum: Oh, I notice now you are against price controls, so now I am totally confused as to what public policy prescription you are suggesting.) If you don't ration by price, then you ration by some other means, and before you know it, beyond the misallocation of resources, you will find that the connected get the goods, as opposed to those with the most money. That leads to a smaller pie, with the connected through lobbying and connections or the like, getting the biggest slices. It kind of reminds me of the Soviet Union, and I don't mean to be tendentious here. In the end there was a small pie, with connected government bureaucrats consuming a huge chunk of it, which in the end created a need to effect an economic autaurky because the goods themselves proved largely worthless on the world market.

No, this was just sort of vaguely supportive of dramatic increases in the marginal taxation rate starting around $500,000/year (eventually to the point of making income above a certain level 100% taxed, or a sort of universal income cap somewhere around maybe a few million dollars a year).

Yes, value also gets distributed inefficiently by government. I hope that some other policies can clear that up substantially; it has to be a combination package to even be worth trying. Although honestly I'm not sure that the current government (and by "current" I mean the US system generally, not any particular administration) would squander the resources more effectively than the "system" does at the moment.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

It's certainly not "discredited". Universal allocation in the actual communist style is certainly discredited. I'm not advocating that. But an income cap at an extremely high level affects only a tiny segment of the population directly. It certainly does not have the defining problem of the communist system (the lack of an incentive to work hard), as the overwhelmingly majority of the population that works hard will never even approach an income of $500,000, let alone into the millions.

The purpose of such a cap would be primarily to drive money into investment and income for workers not at the extremely high end. Honestly, I think it would result in a free market boom: Suddenly, corporations are freed up from their obligations to pay enormous salaries and bonuses and will instead invest that money in further growth. (Obviously, this would need to be combined with much more strict enforcement and penalties on offshore operations designed to be tax-evading.) The purpose isn't even to generate government income.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Other than on taxation (and a couple of other economic issues, like health care and education, which I think require heavy support for a society to remain vibrant and productive), I'm pretty fiscally neoliberal. It's a bit idiosyncratic. I think I've tested narrowly into negative territory sometimes.

(Strong support for free trade, opposition to all tariffs, opposition to union protections, generally favor loosening most non-environmental or safety industrial regulations, etc.)

I had never taken the new version before and just came up as +1.94, -7.13.
Logged
Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,951
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2010, 12:28:21 PM »

its really weird how this thread turned into a discussion about the vague phrase "resource allocation".

capitalism does a pretty good job of distributing "wealth", but only a few want to see this "wealth" get distributed as unevenly as income does!
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.026 seconds with 11 queries.