Was Ohio stolen in 2004?

[they don't love you like i love you]

I don't see any reason to believe that it was. Its voters were just stupid and made a terrible choice just like last year.

[Mr. Smith]

Wouldn't surprise me, but probably not.

[Bigby]

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

[Mr.Phips]

No Ohio 2004 was fair and square.  Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Lolno

[NOVA Green]

No Ohio 2004 was fair and square.  Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

[NeverAgain]

If by stolen you mean that Bush won Ohio solely due to the fact that there was a conserted effort to rig the vote in his favor? No. Were there thousands of examples of discouraging minorities and many thousands of Ohioans from voting? Of course yes.

[TJ in Oregon]

The final vote margin in Ohio in 2004 was 118,000 votes. That is way too many to "steal" by "normal" means. It would have to have been some sort of massive election fraud type of scenario. So I'll go with a clear no.

[Lincoln Republican]

Yes.....

Almost.....

By Kerry.....

[Oldiesfreak1854]

No, and anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser.  You can't win them all, and if you lose, it's not always because the other side cheated.  Get over it.  That goes for Sanders and Clinton supporters, too.

I don't see any reason to believe that it was. Its voters were just stupid smart and made a terrible good choice just unlike last year.

Fixed.

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

This is exactly right, and the best post I've seen in this thread.  Of course, it's true of Democrats and liberals in general.

Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

That's not what the evidence shows:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/media-jan-june01-recount_04-03/
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-analysis-who-won-florida-answer-emerges-but-surely-not-final-word.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93642

[kydmb99]

8 people voted yes lol

[DavidB.]

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

[Mr.Phips]

No, and anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser.  You can't win them all, and if you lose, it's not always because the other side cheated.  Get over it.  That goes for Sanders and Clinton supporters, too.

I don't see any reason to believe that it was. Its voters were just stupid smart and made a terrible good choice just unlike last year.

Fixed.

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

This is exactly right, and the best post I've seen in this thread.  Of course, it's true of Democrats and liberals in general.

Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

That's not what the evidence shows:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/media-jan-june01-recount_04-03/
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-analysis-who-won-florida-answer-emerges-but-surely-not-final-word.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93642

Then explain why there were more votes recorded in the Senate race than the Presidential race that year in certain select counties(Palm Beach being one).  Because people are totally going to go out and vote for Senator and then skip over the Presidential race.  Yeah, that totally happens.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

No, and anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser.  You can't win them all, and if you lose, it's not always because the other side cheated.  Get over it.  That goes for Sanders and Clinton supporters, too.

I don't see any reason to believe that it was. Its voters were just stupid smart and made a terrible good choice just unlike last year.

Fixed.

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

This is exactly right, and the best post I've seen in this thread.  Of course, it's true of Democrats and liberals in general.

Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

That's not what the evidence shows:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/media-jan-june01-recount_04-03/
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-analysis-who-won-florida-answer-emerges-but-surely-not-final-word.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93642

Then explain why there were more votes recorded in the Senate race than the Presidential race that year in certain select counties(Palm Beach being one).  Because people are totally going to go out and vote for Senator and then skip over the Presidential race.  Yeah, that totally happens.

Actually, it does.  And if you read the articles, they prove that Bush would've won by a wider margin if undervotes were counted, as long as it was a statewide count with a uniform standard.

[uti2]

No, and anyone who says otherwise is a sore loser.  You can't win them all, and if you lose, it's not always because the other side cheated.  Get over it.  That goes for Sanders and Clinton supporters, too.

I don't see any reason to believe that it was. Its voters were just stupid smart and made a terrible good choice just unlike last year.

Fixed.

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

This is exactly right, and the best post I've seen in this thread.  Of course, it's true of Democrats and liberals in general.

Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

That's not what the evidence shows:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/media-jan-june01-recount_04-03/
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-analysis-who-won-florida-answer-emerges-but-surely-not-final-word.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93642

Then explain why there were more votes recorded in the Senate race than the Presidential race that year in certain select counties(Palm Beach being one).  Because people are totally going to go out and vote for Senator and then skip over the Presidential race.  Yeah, that totally happens.

Actually, it does.  And if you read the articles, they prove that Bush would've won by a wider margin if undervotes were counted, as long as it was a statewide count with a uniform standard.

Gore would've won a full state-wide recount that included both overvotes and undervotes by every measured study, and the overseeing judge of the recount who was about to rule on the overvotes and he said that he would've ruled in favor of counting the overvotes.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/kausfiles_special/2001/11/update_hotrecount_docs.single.html

The Supreme Court is what stopped Gore. 'Originalists' who ruled' against state's rights.

[BuckeyeNut]

No Ohio 2004 was fair and square.  Florida 2000 on the other hand was 100% stolen and Gore shouldn't have conceded.

This is true.

Remember that in Atlas, elections are only fair when liberal candidates win.

This is idiotic.

[Hillary Lost]

YES IT WAS THE RUSSIANS! EVERYONE BLAME PUTIN! AHH!!!!