Demrepdan's final changes

[Demrepdan]

So far the only change that I must make to my constitution is the Legislature. I need to give ALL power to the Senate. However, the rules for impeachment may change a bit......

Everyone agreed on 5 regions....everyone agreed on governors......everyone agreed on the Supreme Court....so those aspects of my Constitution won't change. However, I want to make sure ALL lose ends are closed up. Does everyone approve of my elections rules?

51 Posts to be President.......30 Posts to be Senator...18 Posts to vote......must register 10 days before any election......all candidates must announce their candidacy 20 days before any election (Of course if you're running as a Democrat or Republican you may have to register sooner for the Primary....in which case each political party must have their nominee placed on the ballot 20 days before the election.)  If you want any change on these rules......please inform me.....

Also...what about my rules for the terms......ALL senate seats are up at the SAME time....Presidential Elections occur every 4 months. Senate elections occur every 4 months (I might change it to 2 months since we won't have a House of Representatives.) All appointed officers will be in their office at the President's will.......and how about the BIG one....that people may complain about.......my 2 consecutive term rule?

Some people have said they wish to see a ONE term rule......and you cannot run EVER again after one term (I think this is just plain stupid). Some have said....you can't serve more than ONE consecutive term....meaning after 4 months your time is up....and you must wait another 4 months to run...(more reasonable....but I still don't like it much). Some have suggested that you can't serve more than 2 terms....and then never again......

I need final approval on how long the President serves.....so everyone tell me how it should be......as you did in the other thread....

Before you vote.....keep these things in mind...

1. You may think it is fair for the President to serve and then never serve again....because then it will allow more
opportunity for people to serve as President.......but that means that sooner or later EVERYONE who wants to be President will get a shot at being President.....even if they don't deserve it......why? because everyone who was a good President has served....and can never run again due to a stupid term limit rule. Giving term limits to make it FAIR doesn't really make it FAIR. I'm all for fair elections.....everyone deserves a shot to get involved in Fantasy Politics........but how could the MAJORITY of you be against the House of Representatives (which would undoubtedly allow more opportunity for involvement in Fantasy Politics)...but you're FOR the term limits??

You're saying one thing and doing another.....you like term limits because it allows more people a shot at the Presidency and their involvement in the Fantasy Elections......but you are against the House of Representatives which would insure more chances for people to hold a position in the Fantasy Elections.


2. The reason I wrote in that the President can not serve more than two consecutive terms is because it WOULD allow (as we all want) more opportunity for people to run.....but if that President wants to run again in the future.....let it be the people who decide if he or she deserves another shot...(remember....he has to get through his political party first). Adding term limits takes away all competition.....why run for the office? You’re just gonna get to be President sooner or later....once everyone has had a shot....

Anyway....would every please state which you are for....


Plan One: President cannot serve more than 2 consecutive terms (My Current Plan)
Plan Two: President cannot serve more than 2 terms. (Can never run again after 2 terms)
Plan Three: President cannot serve more than 1 consecutive term. (President must wait 4 months to run again)
Plan Four: President cannot serve more than 1 term. (One term and you’re out forever.)
Plan Five: NO term limits whatsoever. (President can serve as many terms in a row as he wishes.)


My intension at the moment is to make the same rules apply for the Vice President as President......so if you vote for plan 4.....that’s how it will be for the Vice President too...(if you’re that staunch about allowing everyone a shot at the Presidency....you should be equally abhorred with the Vice President's term in office....)

[Demrepdan]

I vote for Plan One.

Senate terms should be four months, with half the Senate elected every two months.
There should be 35 posts to be president., to keep with the analogy.
Impeachment should require 50% to institute and 3/4 for a conviction, as in real life, with a mock trial in between the votes.

It's actually 2/3 vote need for conviction....not 3/4....if you want to keep the analogy......

[Demrepdan]

Oh yeah......one more thing in which I need everyone's opinion on.......do you think in SPECIAL cases......the public should have a say (vote)?

Like......in order for someone to be impeached.....the Chief Justice of the Forum.....OR the President Pro Tempore of the Forum must call for the impeachment of the person......and then conduct a POLL to the people......if the poll gets the majority for YES on impeachment......then the person is impeached......and then the SENATE must REMOVE the person from office......with 2/3'rds vote? How does that idea sound to you guys?

And how about in the case of Regional Redistribution......or Amendment Ratification? Should the public vote on that.....and all that be needed is a majority vote with the poll......but it does not FULLY pass unless the SENATE votes 2/3rds? But both the public and Senate must pass it....

How does that sound?

Or should the SENATE have total control of everything??

This idea of the public's involvement almost sounds like the House of Representatives.....so maybe it's not a good idea.....

Let me know what you guys think....

Keep in mind the public would only have a say (vote) in CERTAIN situations....such as the ones aforementioned.

[Demrepdan]

I never wanted to have the 35 posts to keep the analogy to real life. 35 posts would make you a Newbie....and I don't think ANY newbie should have the chance at the Presidency....

So how about this..... 101 Posts to be President or Supreme Court Justice.....(that would make you a Full Member) ....51 Posts to be in the Senate....(that would make you a Junior Member).......and 18 to 20 posts to vote.

[Demrepdan]

Here's another thing I forgot to ask you guys........who should be the leader of the Senate in the absences of the VP.......the President Pro Tempore of the Senate.......or should we have a Speaker of the Senate...or perhaps BOTH......or maybe a President Pro Tem of the Senate and a Speaker of the Forum? Or.....what....??

[Demrepdan]

Another thing.........*sigh*.......since you guys voted against the creation of the House of Representatives....I was thinking of boosting up the number of the Senate.......instead of 2 Senators per region......(making it 10 Senators in all)........I was thinking of making it FOUR Senators per region (making it 20 Senators in all)...which would allow more people to have a Senate seat.....and also have more voices in the Legislative body. Because lets face it......a 10 member Senate is more like a council....and not a legislative body.....

And if you don't like 4 Senators per region...how about at least 3? However, with 3 Senators that would make it 15 total Senators...which would mean we would NEVER need the VP to break a tie.....unless some Senators don't vote on a bill or something.....

But again...I strongly support 4 Senators per regions (20 total Senators)....the less Senators we have.......the more of a council it looks like.....

[Demrepdan]

If we do four we could stagger them at one election a month.

That's what I was thinking....if Senators serve 2 month terms......then we need to stagger them where we have Senatorial Elections each month.......with half of the Senate seats up for grabs.......but as it looks now.....we will have 2 Senators per region....and if that's the case I will NOT stagger the elections for a measly 10 Senators.......

[Demrepdan]

Which makes me think of something else......should we have 4 month terms for Senators or 2 month? Because if we have 4 month that means that EVERY elected postition at the forum is 4 months in length....which would mean that everyone would have to wait 4 months to get involved in the next election......people don't like to wait......

Of course.....perhaps Gubernatorial elections can be held every 2 months or even every month...or every 6 months...or 9 months....or year....or whatever........because it's up to the regions how long their Governor serves.......

UNLESS.....you guys want me to strip that right from the regions....and dictate to them that they must hold Gubernatorial elections every 2 months or something....which I would write in......again.....I need all of your feedback.....

[Demrepdan]

Has anyone actually read my proposal? It would give every region an election every two months or so; meaning that people wouldnt have to wait all that long for an election they can contest, plus it also means that senators do serve for four months.

Could you post a link to your proposal here?.....so everyone can read it again....and people can express their opinons on it right here on this thread which will finalize the constitution.

[Demrepdan]

I can tell this is going to be HELL on finding a basic ground to finish the Constitution.

I don't like the idea of one of the three Supreme Court Justices must resign after one month...and be replaced or whatever.....it just seems...stupid.

And as far as the Senate seats....it sounds as if some of you wish to have both Senate seats up for re-election from the region....like......Region 1 2 and 3 have there's up during the mid-term....and Region 4 and 5 have there's up during the Presidential elections.

It doesn't work like this in real life.....no TWO Senators from any STATE have their seat up for election at the same time. If you MUST stagger the elections......I suggest that we simply have ONE of the Senators from each region have their seat up for election...which would mean 5 of the 10 Senators (1 Senator from every region) would have their seats up for election....at any given time.....

[Demrepdan]

If you are referring to my proposal, the facts are not as you have put them. Under my proposal, one Senate seat from each region would be up every election. It is the Gubernatorial situation to which you might be referring. Three Gubernatorial elections occur at midters, and two at general elections.

I wasn't referring to yours....I was referring to the people who wanted to have it like that......I have heard talk of it somewhere....even in another thread I believe.....

And it still my belief.....that we should grant regional rights....and not dictate to the regions when to hold their Gubernatorial elections.....

[Demrepdan]

At the first-ever senate election, we might elect five for 4-month and five for two-month terms, just so we have a working senate quickly.

I agree with that plan.....I think we should hold Senate elections for ALL Senators in late April (I hope the Constitution will be finished in time)......and then we would hold ANOTHER Senate election during the Presidential election in late June...in which 5 of the 10 would have their seat up for re-election. This would only happen this one time...because all Senators will serve 4 month terms.

[Demrepdan]

Demrepdan,

Have you read my earlier post on changing some of the wording in the Constitution? If so, what is your verdict on the same proposal?

I have further proposals for rewording, mostly in order to eliminate redundancies, and also to remove archaic terminology ("chuse," for instance), and for other purposes:

I saw your post earlier......and I will make the changes when we have decided on these issues. If you have any other suggestions for me on how to reword the Constitution to eliminate redundancies....or to make it more clear and understandable to the reader.....please let me know....because I wrote the Constitution and never really re-read it to improve the wording. It’s fine if you wish to give suggestions on the rewording...but I hope you don’t change the overall message of the Constitution in the process.

P.S. I must point out that I put the word CHUSE in there on purpose.....just for fun....to keep the analogy to the U.S. Constitution.....if it bugs people that much though I'll remove it.....

[Demrepdan]

I favour:

5 cabinet member
10 senators with four month term
5 judges of Supreme Court
5 governors

It looks like that will happen.....except the 5 judges....most people want a 3 judge Supreme Court......