If (when) health care passes - how does it effect the midterms for Democrats?
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« on: March 05, 2010, 05:29:56 PM »

3 for me. They'll keep the senate and house.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 05:31:08 PM »

What will get passed is a pissy excuse of a bill. They will lose alot of seats.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 06:33:28 PM »

well I know for a fact that it wont create a republican landslide. The low polling for democrats have bottomed out. This isn't a good thing for democrats though, but it just means that things could have gotten a lot worse.
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 12:33:01 AM »

I don't think it will affect things much. I suspect whoever controls the house in 2011, it will be close. Now if democrats f it up yet again, the democratic base may just stay home and the democrats will start losing seats they had no business losing and the GOP might actually get a decent majority. So while there isn't any upside to the democrats passing the bill, not passing could lead to a much worse result.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2010, 09:44:45 AM »

The Democratic base will become more enthusiastic, and the GOP base is already as ramped up as it can be, so it'll be a net plus for the Dems.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2010, 10:21:48 AM »

The Democratic base will become more enthusiastic, and the GOP base is already as ramped up as it can be, so it'll be a net plus for the Dems.

This.

Plus, republicans probably forgot it, but 70% of Americans favor health care, no matter how enraged, arrogant or powerful the other 30% are.
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 11:48:08 AM »

If Obamacare passes, it will be a short term victory for the Republicans. The people do not like this bill, and have no signs of changing their opinion. I could see the Republicans taking control over the House narrowly (the senate is probably out of reach) but the Democrats will have succeeded in their long term goal. Once they have the public on their socialist health care plan (which is what will happen, inevitably), the Republicans will have to bow down before it if they ever want to be elected. The United States will cease being a Center-Right country.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 12:01:18 PM »

If Obamacare passes, it will be a short term victory for the Republicans. The people do not like this bill, and have no signs of changing their opinion. I could see the Republicans taking control over the House narrowly (the senate is probably out of reach) but the Democrats will have succeeded in their long term goal. Once they have the public on their socialist health care plan (which is what will happen, inevitably), the Republicans will have to bow down before it if they ever want to be elected. The United States will cease being a Center-Right country.

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2010, 12:46:56 PM »

effect = noun, affect = verb

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 02:19:57 PM »

Lunar = pedant, Iosif = doesn't give a fcuk
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 02:37:50 PM »

Well, I'd say fcuk isn't a word but I'd probably just come across as even  more of a loser
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 03:16:25 PM »

Speaking for myself -if this health care reform package passes (along with financial regulatory reform), I might actually be motivated to vote this November as opposed to sitting it out. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 03:20:36 PM »

They've screwed things up so bad in Congress and in the White House on health care, nothing short of a full blown big bill with a public option will redeem their prior actions or positively affect the midterms.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 03:25:00 PM »

They've screwed things up so bad in Congress and in the White House on health care, nothing short of a full blown big bill with a public option will redeem their prior actions or positively affect the midterms.

You sound like a straight-up liberal democrat thur, gramps.

The question was a political one, not what I want to see pass......do you think a lil pissy bill positively affects things for the Dems?
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 03:40:52 PM »

The question was a political one, not what I want to see pass......do you think a lil pissy bill positively affects things for the Dems?

Of course it will.  The people who dislike health care/hate Obama/go to teaparties aren't going to get more riled if something passes, while the poors and leftists are used to being ill treated and disappointed, every single time, so they will be happy for even the slightest crumb, or even the appearance of a crumb. 

Lastly and most importantly those in the middle - too stupid to understand they have no health care - do care about perceptions of 'stength'.  They are not smart enough to know whether what passes is any good or not, but the fact that something passed and the GOP blockade is finally ended will lead them to at least lose interest and in some cases view Obama more positively.

Obviously poors will still be slaughtered, and the health care mafia will still shake down the working class, but the overall net effect will be quite positive.  I'd say up to 3% points upward bump in positive opinion for Obama.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 03:41:31 PM »

If it passes, they will just lose more independents.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 03:49:07 PM »

If it passes, they will just lose more independents.

Wrong.  It is right-wingers who are riled, independents only care about the perception of ability to act and of strength.  They neither understand nor really care about health care (independents are by definition not very well informed or motivated). 
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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 05:43:41 PM »

The Democratic base will become more enthusiastic, and the GOP base is already as ramped up as it can be, so it'll be a net plus for the Dems.

This.

Plus, republicans probably forgot it, but 70% of Americans favor health care, no matter how enraged, arrogant or powerful the other 30% are.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 06:37:44 PM »

If it passes, they will just lose more independents.

Wrong.  It is right-wingers who are riled, independents only care about the perception of ability to act and of strength.  They neither understand nor really care about health care (independents are by definition not very well informed or motivated). 

They do care about what is in the bill. They aren't idiots.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 06:39:27 PM »

Slightly positive. Democrats will still lose a lot of seats in both the House and the Senate, but I don't see either being in danger of falling.
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2010, 02:48:37 AM »

No great effect, unless a public option is included in the bill (which I don't see happening), then Improves.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2010, 01:22:13 PM »

They do care about what is in the bill. They aren't idiots.

I'm sure not all of them are, but as a generalization its fairly applicable.
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2010, 09:17:10 PM »

When do young people start paying higher premiums than they do now to build the war chest for the big spending dump to subsidize sick old folks down the road?  When that happens, the sh**t will hit the fan. If the GOP handles this right, they could get back a big chunk of the youth vote is my opinion.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2010, 09:19:09 PM »

When do young people start paying higher premiums than they do now to build the war chest for the big spending dump to subsidize sick old folks down the road?  When that happens, the sh**t will hit the fan. If the GOP handles this right, they could get back a big chunk of the youth vote is my opinion.

The GOP is never going to give up old people for the young.  Remember their open embrace of socialism with the Medicare Part D expansion?
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2010, 09:25:05 PM »

not to mention, too, the GOP actively stoking the "Get the government out of my Medicare" approach to this bill.
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