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« on: September 21, 2014, 02:35:47 pm »
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Budget Sanity Amendment

Article III, Section 10 of the Northeast Constitution is amended to read:

10. The Governor is obligated to present the Legislative Assembly a budget for their term. The structure and procedure for the budget process are to be determined by law. The budget of all government activities is to be voted on by the Assembly after a normal debate period. The Governor is obligated to ensure that the budget does not provide for any deficits excepting times of emergency or war, a condition the Legislative Assembly must successfully endorse. All budgets must include a plan for revenue and taxation.

Sponsor: Governor Talleyrand

Debate on this bill will last for 72 hours, or until 3:35 PM on Wednesday, September 24, unless modified or extended. The sponsor has 36 hours to advocate for this proposed legislation. If he does not, this bill will be tabled as there is other pending legislation in the queue.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 10:20:12 pm »
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I'm not a fan of "muh balanced budgets" in the game or real life. Instead of a constitutional mandate to balance budgets in this game, I would rather leave this to the discretion of our lawmakers. Not only does this allow them much more flexibility with spending, it also creates an interesting gameplay dynamic by producing possible deficits and debts. This could create possible tension in elections and be an interesting issue, as one Assembly might have to "clean up the mess" left by another.

Forcing the Northeast government to issue balanced budgets in a document as concrete as our constitution is ridiculous.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 11:54:48 pm »
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I agree with Governor Talleyrand's sentiments. The balanced budget amendment restricts the government and stunts the development of our region by creating an unnecessary limit on how much we can spend. I trust the people enough to elect a fiscally responsible government that will not go overboard, so I support this amendment.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2014, 09:45:04 am »
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I might be leaning no on this to be quite honestly. We've ran surpluses in our fine region for about as long as I can remember, which I feel has helped us establish programs to better serve The People.
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2014, 04:01:25 pm »
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Don't feel that strongly either way, but I lean in favor. I'm generally not a fan of Balanced budget amendmens, and allowing us to run a deficit can make budget debates more interesting.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2014, 04:23:05 pm »
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I might be leaning no on this to be quite honestly. We've ran surpluses in our fine region for about as long as I can remember, which I feel has helped us establish programs to better serve The People.

If the future Assembles feel that this is the appropriate course of action to go with, then they can still choose to do so. All that this proposal does is create more flexibility and not restrict them.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2014, 04:43:48 pm »
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I agree with Governor Talleyrand's sentiments. The balanced budget amendment restricts the government and stunts the development of our region by creating an unnecessary limit on how much we can spend. I trust the people enough to elect a fiscally responsible government that will not go overboard, so I support this amendment.
The People might be quicker to elect fiscally irresponsible politicians if those politicians are granted the power to make future generations pay for their irresponsibility. Most people don't care if their government goes overboard on spending, as long as they don't have to pay for it.

Also, deficit spending might make the game more interesting, but it would also make it a lot more complicated. How do you plan on incorporating government bonds, interest payments, and creditors?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2014, 04:58:55 pm »
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Also, deficit spending might make the game more interesting, but it would also make it a lot more complicated. How do you plan on incorporating government bonds, interest payments, and creditors?

This is an interesting question. Either, we'd have to oversimplify the deficit process (aka just total up excess spending not covered by revenue), or have to find a G.M. willing to help us handle things like that.

My hope with this is not to produce deficits for the sake of it, but simply to give us more flexibility. And in addition, since this is a game foremost, as you pointed out, this has the potential to make it more interesting.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2014, 06:09:48 pm »
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The debating period is now over. Representatives will now vote on this bill, as written:

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Budget Sanity Amendment

Article III, Section 10 of the Northeast Constitution is amended to read:

10. The Governor is obligated to present the Legislative Assembly a budget for their term. The structure and procedure for the budget process are to be determined by law. The budget of all government activities is to be voted on by the Assembly after a normal debate period. The Governor is obligated to ensure that the budget does not provide for any deficits excepting times of emergency or war, a condition the Legislative Assembly must successfully endorse. All budgets must include a plan for revenue and taxation.

Voting will last for 48 hours or until all representatives have voted.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2014, 06:10:25 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2014, 08:32:55 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2014, 06:35:54 am »
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2014, 07:31:01 pm »
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The voting period is now over. By a vote of 2-2-1, this amendment fails.
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