The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

[Jbrase]

The bill passes 3-1 and awaits the signature or veto of Emperor PiT

[Jbrase]

I am now bringing this up as one large omnibus bill.

Acts on continuation of the Revolution: Part I

1. The official motto of the Imperial Dominion of The South shall be Carpe Aquilonem.

2. The official flag of the IDS is:



3. The coat of arms of the Imperial House that controls the seat of the Emperor shall be placed in the upper left corner of the official IDS flag, outlined in gold.

Acts on Continuation of the Revolution: Part II

1. Effective immediately the term State when referring to any of the states within the IDS shall be replaced with Kingdom ex. The Kingdom of Mississippi.

2. All chief executives of the Kingdoms within the IDS shall be referred to as Kings.

Acts on Continuation of the Revolution: Part III

1. The militia of each Kingdom (state) shall henceforth be known as the Imperial Guard.
 1a. Every Kingdom's (state) Militia shall receive an eagle standard which shall be made of steel and plated in silver, mounted upon a 5 foot wooden poll with a plaque under each eagle stating: "Deinceps viri meridiem!". (Forward men of the South!)
 1b. The official colors of th Emperial Guard shall be black and gold.

2. The IDS regional police shall henceforth be known as the Imperial Police
 2a. The Imperial Police shall be responsible for enforcing the laws of the IDS at the regional level.
 2b. The Texas Rangers shall be made a branch of the Imperial Police and shall be recognized as the elite members of the Imperial Police.
 2c. The Texas Rangers shall be trained to, when needed, form S.W.A.T. units of up to 15 Rangers to assist where needed.

Sponsor: Jbrase

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     The dibble isn't dead yet! Everyone, please look at my speech in my office thread.



     On the Imperial Advertisement and Activity Augmentation Act: by the powers vested in me as Emperor of this region, I thus sign it into law.

     Be it resolved, X Emperor PiT

[Jbrase]

Well if no one has anything to add, we can bring it to a vote later.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     "Carpe Diem" is kind of a feel-good motto. I'd prefer something a tad more aggressive.

[Emperor SJoyce]

I'd rather that flag be the Emperor's Standard. Don't want citizens to buy a new flag every time we get a new one.

[Jbrase]

I'd rather that flag be the Emperor's Standard. Don't want citizens to buy a new flag every time we get a new one.

they won't have to necessarily. Emperors can be in the same Imperial House. which is why the flag has the IHoJ coat of arms even though PiT is Emperor.

[Jbrase]

If someone would like to be in charge of editing the flag as we make suggestions that would be nice

@PiT how about "Capere aquilonem" instead of Seize the day, it becomes "seize the north!"

[Emperor SJoyce]

I'd rather that flag be the Emperor's Standard. Don't want citizens to buy a new flag every time we get a new one.

they won't have to necessarily. Emperors can be in the same Imperial House. which is why the flag has the IHoJ coat of arms even though PiT is Emperor.

I guess that makes sense, since only you and PiT have been Emperors during the time of the Empire.

[Emperor SJoyce]

If someone would like to be in charge of editing the flag as we make suggestions that would be nice

@PiT how about "Capere aquilonem" instead of Seize the day, it becomes "seize the north!"

Exinanite de damnareyankees?

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

If someone would like to be in charge of editing the flag as we make suggestions that would be nice

@PiT how about "Capere aquilonem" instead of Seize the day, it becomes "seize the north!"

     That would be pretty cool, for the northerner freak-out factor.

     Anyway, I like SJoyceFla's idea of making this the Imperial Standard. For reference, the average Governor/Emperor of the region has served about four months in office, with the average being greatly inflated by guys like me & Duke. Even if we had an average of three guys in a house, that'd be an average of one new flag per year. Seems a bit frequent to be changing flags.

[Prez Duke]

Maybe it's just me, but I love simplicity and consistency. Why do we need to change the flag all the time? And why do we need some sissy motto? If we are going to be imperialists, we need to embrace it like I said before. I think our governor should be our king and states should be governorships or something of that nature. Kingdom means that states are independent entities. Instead, we need to be a united kingdom of the south. We can't be having mississippi trying to leave us etc..

And we need a good imperial flag. A simple one that gets the point across. The current era of IDS is too into tacky, loud symbols. We need art. We need something tasteful. When South Carolina left the union in 1861, we had a flag with a crescent moon with the words "liberty." All these current shields and the like harken back to a day and age of the kings and knights in England.

What does the IDS want to be? Ruthless imperialists or freedom lovers? I don't care but I feel like our focus is all over the place. We need to decide what he want and move forward with that goal in mind as a united force. One day we talk about voters rights and the next we pass a law about forcing public officials to change their name and have a mandatory signature. Seems odd and inconsistent.

I say we first vote on a bill that asks two things: do we want to be imperialists or essentially classic liberals. Whichever wins is what we move forward with. Right now it feels like we are blindly throwing darts at a board. We need an identity!

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     Most talk of imperialism is regional flavor with a touch of "don't tread on me". When I voted for the ticket of Southern Secession and Imperial Irredentism for President, I didn't seriously expect much to come out of that. In hard terms, I think it's important that we pursue classical liberal policy, but the Legislature is pretty moderate these days. I don't know how much success lies down that path, though.

[Jbrase]

Duke, to address part of that you said about the kingdoms part, I put it like that becuase of the very thing you complain about. Why do something half ass? We made the region an Empire, and the governor and elected Emperor, so why should the states remain just states? If we are to take it further then the logical thing to do would be to have the the states become kingdoms, all under one glorious southern Imperial Dominion.

As for the flag, I see your point and am open to suggestions for an alternative if you would like to put any forward.

Also I reject the notion you put forward that we cannot be Imperial and freedom lovers. We are the IDS becuase we love our freedom. Any region could have a governor, or just chose to accept the norm or taking a direction for a name, but we fight back by not falling into conformity. The day we just accept that we are the same as the other regions and start acting like them, like how they expect us to, is the day we truly lose our freedom.

I cannot see how you are complaining about inconsistency when this bill is just making the region more consistent with the changes made earlier. 

[Emperor SJoyce]

Just so y'all know, I'll be away for a few weeks at the finest university in the IDS (Duke), so Internet access may be sporadic (ie: on my phone during the hour and a half of free time given a day). I would say PM me if there's anything major, but I'm as likely to check here as I am my PM box, so I'll try to stick around, but if there's any reduction in activity, that's why.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     Ahem.

[Jbrase]

Well I was hoping there would be more debate, but it looks like there won't. sigh....

Up for final vote
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Aye

[Emperor SJoyce]

Sorry I haven't really been around.

Aye.

[Prez Duke]

Duke, to address part of that you said about the kingdoms part, I put it like that becuase of the very thing you complain about. Why do something half ass? We made the region an Empire, and the governor and elected Emperor, so why should the states remain just states? If we are to take it further then the logical thing to do would be to have the the states become kingdoms, all under one glorious southern Imperial Dominion.

As for the flag, I see your point and am open to suggestions for an alternative if you would like to put any forward.

Also I reject the notion you put forward that we cannot be Imperial and freedom lovers. We are the IDS becuase we love our freedom. Any region could have a governor, or just chose to accept the norm or taking a direction for a name, but we fight back by not falling into conformity. The day we just accept that we are the same as the other regions and start acting like them, like how they expect us to, is the day we truly lose our freedom.

I cannot see how you are complaining about inconsistency when this bill is just making the region more consistent with the changes made earlier. 

The word Kingdom has never been one that has brought forth thoughts of intellectual, religious and political freedoms. I suppose you're trying to mold the IDS into something like ancient Greece, where there were city states that comprised most of Greece. They were independent entities but would band together when someone attacked them. Is that what you're going for? I've always believed a country or region needed a strong central power in order to flourish, so I suppose we just have different beliefs on that. But it's difficult to have an empire when you want a loose confederation that this bill seems to encourage.

I think we should have more debate on this since we seem to be making some big changes if this passes.

[GM Griffin]

While I did provide some preliminary consultation on flag proportions, I personally do not find the styling of the flag aesthetically-pleasing. This primarily originates with the existing design that I think if changed, should be overhauled.

In regards to the renaming of states, I don't find it reasonable to rename them 'Kingdoms' due to many of the reasons Duke mentioned; there's a clear contrast between the renaming and the perceived goals of the legislation.

Finally, I find some of the police provisions to be non-meritocratic. If Texas gets special treatment, then so does Georgia.

I just don't see anything here that I can support.

Nay.

[Jbrase]

Well thats no fun, ow wells..

Bill fails 2-2

[Prez Duke]

It's not that we universally shat all over the bill. I think it has some good merits to it, but we have no discussed it nearly enough to really ram it through the legislature at this point.

[Fmr. Emperor PiT]

     I think it was pretty close to a workable state, but the proposed flag really should just be an imperial standard. How many states IRL seriously entertain the idea of changing their flag whenever a new Governor enters office? Even if the change is far from inevitable, it seems way too often to be messing with what should be an enduring symbol of the region.

[Prez Duke]

We need consistency in this region. How many face lifts have we gone through in the past few months/years? We have always been a region that has bucked the trend, so I suppose that is our lasting legacy regardless of what happens here.

[Jbrase]

Protecting Our Citizens From Satan Act of 2012
1. Neither the region nor any of its constituent states shall issue a license plate containing more than two instances of the number "6" ("six").