The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I'm gonna do a bit of personal investigation into those ingredients before I can judge where I stand. I agree with the intentions of the bill though. I'm just concerned about overregulating the industry... Still, the bill could be 100% fine as it is. I'll check in later.

[CatoMinor]

Unless there is any new debate it"ll be up for a vote in a little bit

[CatoMinor]

Aaaaaaand let the voting begin.

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Aye

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Ah shoot. I did a bit of research and then got pre-occupied. A lot of this is good. One thing I'm having a hard time supporting, though, is removing animal fat from the diets of livestock. "Lack of quality" does not necessarily mean "unhealthy," and from what I've read, disallowing the use of animal fats could really hit the dairy industry.

While animal fats only make up a percentage of what goes into the "fats" fed to dairy cows, these fats increase yields and profits, with marginal risks to the consumer and animal. (You can read more here if you're interested.)

So I don't know that banning this type of feed would be the greatest thing. I also don't know how big the effects would actually be. Is it worth overturning the whole bill over? I don't know. So I feel like I must...


Abstain


It's always possible to retroactively amend parts of this bill in the future. Maybe that will be something to look into if the legislation has unforeseen consequences.

[Adam Griffin]

Aye.

I'd be perfectly willing to come back to this and review the contents as necessary. I knew that there could be concerns with some of the items on the list, and I didn't have the time to research each ingredient in full detail. I actually plan on drafting future revisions to this bill as well as new proposals to enhance the agricultural sector of the region and so maybe this will become a recurring theme in our legislature for a period of time.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Well, if the effect of passing this bill is needlessly harming the dairy industry, then we can't really pass it in this form, now can we?

[Adam Griffin]

I actually had read up some on 'Animal Fat' earlier but didn't notice the context of Hagrid's remark at first. Nevertheless, I've went back and did some more research. When Hagrid mentioned the "lack of quality" part, what should have been mentioned is that 'Animal Fat' falls under the "or contamination" part. Also, no item on this list lacks an equally safe or more nutritionally-balanced substitute.

In the case of 'Animal Fat', it consists of the product in its rawest legal form and can be a harborer of bacteria and diseases that can introduce infection into cattle. Most food producers (with the exception of some low-quality, low-cost products) have transitioned from pure animal fat-based mixes to an enhanced composition and hydrogenated blends that do not precisely fall under this definition and are just as nutritious. One of the most common dairy feed ingredients for fat is hydrogenated tallow, which is different from 'Tallow', 'Animal Fat' or 'Vegetable Oil'. Hydrogenated tallow is recommended for safe, consistent use in dairy cows, provides the same quantity of fat (80-98% by volume, in Hagrid's link) as 'Animal Fat' or 'Tallow', costs no more than traditional forms of tallow and is the main ingredient in soap that replaced animal fat. It is also shown to increase - via the hydrogenated and vegetable compounds - calf turnover during breeding season.

[Donerail]

Aye.

[CatoMinor]

Due to the issues raised concerning the dairy industry, the vote is paused. I am moving back up into campus today so I'll be out most the day, while I'm gone I'll let the rest of you decide if you wish to proceed with the vote or resume debate to make changes where needed.

 

[Adam Griffin]

I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

[Donerail]

I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

I'm adding Griffin as a co-sponsor if he wants to

[Adam Griffin]

I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

I'm adding Griffin as a co-sponsor if he wants to

I'll accept. What are your thoughts on moving forward with this? I'm assuming by your vote that you are OK with this version?

[Donerail]

I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

I'm adding Griffin as a co-sponsor if he wants to

I'll accept. What are your thoughts on moving forward with this? I'm assuming by your vote that you are OK with this version?

I'm okay with this version. In all honesty it isn't my area of expertise, but from what I've read it seems good.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Griffin's arguments make sense, and I would suggest amending this to clarify that it only applies to the pure products and not engineered blends, for the sake of clarity. At the same time, I support Jbrase's decision to pause voting, and give Hagrid the opportunity to rebut, if he so chooses.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I appreciate the pause, but even from the reading I've done I still just "don't know." Would it water down the bill too much if we just created an advisory board of experts (say, folks in the agriculture business and scientists who are familiar with these ingredients) to set reasonable standards for the industry? Standards that find a good balance between safetly, yields, and profits?

As it stands now, I'd probably still abstain.

[Donerail]

I appreciate the pause, but even from the reading I've done I still just "don't know." Would it water down the bill too much if we just created an advisory board of experts (say, folks in the agriculture business and scientists who are familiar with these ingredients) to set reasonable standards for the industry? Standards that find a good balance between safetly, yields, and profits?

I wouldn't mind having some sort of advisory council, just so long as it's, say, 50% experts/scientists, 25% industry specialists, and 25% organic-type people.

[Adam Griffin]

I offer the following amendment for consideration:

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[HagridOfTheDeep]

Beautiful. Thanks for making the changes. I will support this bill.

[CatoMinor]

In light of the changes I will allow for a new vote on this bill.


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Aye

[Adam Griffin]

Aye

[Donerail]

Aye.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Aye

[Adam Griffin]

It seems like it's been a while since we had unanimous support on a bill. Great work, everyone!

[HagridOfTheDeep]

^Ditto to that.

I'll be gone for a few days on a camping expedition, and then I guess I'll be sworn into the senate after that, so... yeah. Hopefully I'll be able to drop in a bit from my phone, but I can't make any promises.

So with that being said, I just want to thank everyone for being so welcoming here. I know I haven't been a part of this body for months and months, but I really enjoyed working with all of you. It's been great. Now go get that education bill passed.