The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

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Aye

[Velasco]

Aye

[Dereich]

Aye

[Dereich]

By a vote of 5-0 the Safe and Inclusive Schools Act is passed.

Next we have the Annexation of the states of Coahuila and Tamaulipas Act. It was put at the back of the queue before; do we move it back again, pass it or get rid of it?

[Velasco]

Let's get rid of it. We have more important issues to deal with. I see that the Constitutional debate is not going forward. There's a project for Constitutional amendments proposed by SJoyce, but it doesn't deal with the major issues. Is anyone willing to sponsor it? If I did, I'd likely make so many amendments that I don't know if it's better to submit a new bill.

[Donerail]

On the Safe and Inclusive Schools Act: by the powers vested in me as Emperor of this region, I thus sign it into law.

Be it resolved, X Emperor SJoyce


And yeah, I'm not gonna sign the invasion of Mexico whatever thing.

There's a project for Constitutional amendments proposed by SJoyce, but it doesn't deal with the major issues. Is anyone willing to sponsor it? If I did, I'd likely make so many amendments that I don't know if it's better to submit a new bill.

What major issues besides the names thing does it not address? If we're gonna do full-scale Constitution editing perhaps it's best to bring up that one (which deals largely with the nuts and bolts of the document) in one thread and a different amendment to change the names in another?

[Dereich]

The major issue is obviously changing the nature of the region, presumably by dropping imperial titles.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

The major issue is obviously changing the nature of the region, presumably by dropping imperial titles.

[Velasco]

The major issue is obviously changing the nature of the region, presumably by dropping imperial titles.

Of course

[Adam Griffin]

The major issue is obviously changing the nature of the region, presumably by dropping imperial titles.

Of course

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Finally we can reopen the Duke Gardens for our children to play in once again!

[CatoMinor]

Do we really want to go back to having a direction for a name? Or worse yet the "Dirty South" Why should we subject ourselves to names that are either totally lacking in creativity or a name that is beneath the good people of this region. The term Southeast means nothing more than a direction from a given point. The term Dirty South is just insulting ourselves, despite whatever way we try to reason out of that fact. The Imperial Dominion however describes us in a way that neither of the other names could have. We are not simply a direction, a but a people, and not just some backwards people, but a great people with a unique culture all our own.

Any region can have a governor, but we have an Emperor and a glorious imperial dynasty stretching back years. Other regions may have militias and national guard units, but we are better, we have a mighty Imperial Guard that, by law, is charged with the responsibility of ensuring a non-elected leader never comes to power in Nyman.

If we have constitutional reform,  lets do it in a way that does not murder the identity of the region.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

How dare you, sir! Tying these shameless names to "tradition"! There is nothing inherently southern about imperial titles, coat of arms or "houses." Just because you and your regime had the audacity to pursue and pass names based on your raging hardon for such titles was successful years ago doesn't mean the joke should go on.

The Dirty South, which you so conveniently took a dump on, represents the southern renaissance, yes, the renaissance you and your minions capitalized on when you took office. Before folks like PiT, NC Yankee, DWTL, SPC, and yours truly took over, the South had nothing. No one. ONE person voted in the first election I ever participated in. One! Yet, you demonize it like it was some dark period for the South. I'm so sorry being known nationally as one of the most active regions was such a bad thing for our homeland. I really am.

The Dirty South represented tradition. Our capital was ceremoniously moved to Charleston, one of the richest cultural centers of the south. Our mansion was change to Plantation. Every day at 4 was tea time with lady finger sandwiches, and on Fridays, it was bourbon time with the governor. That is the tradition of the south, not this running joke of an imperial guard and living in the god-forsaken city of Memphis.

We are both southerners, and I know your heart is in the right place, but it's time we fixed this mess while we can.

Perhaps it's time you took a lesson on southern history and not your own warped traditions and desires. These names are not a southern tradition. It's a tradition you WANT desperately to be southern, but it never will be. If you want knights on horseback, I hear England is nice this time of year.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Actually Scottish and English influence is all over the south, so coat of arms and houses aren't really so outrageous. And if the House of Duke and the House of Jbrase insist having a War of the Roses, that too is a tradition all over the South. Ever heard of Hatfield and McCoy?

Or you can proceed with civility, that too is a Southern tradition.

I prefer the latter. Either way I have train to New Orleans to catch. Have fun you two!

[CatoMinor]

Well I do believe the honorable Vice President is placing words in my mouth. I never the your era were dark times, but rather the name chosen is beneath the region. To me it is like a resort Island choosing to name itself The Sh*tty Island. I recognize that the IDS back then was brought back into being active, but since then it has grown. In years past regional elections could have had around 10 people show up at times, now they can be over 20 ( though part of that is the socialists deciding to kindly invest in our region. As for this "Your regime" business, I helped in the discussions and eventual laws that became The Cultural Revolution of Awesomeness, but it was a community effort after all and was supported by the region as a whole.

You can argue all you like against the IDS's re-branded look, which for someone arguing tradition should recognize has been in existence longer than your Dirty South was, and that is fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But then I ask you, what would you have replace the IDS name that isn't something self-insulting?

Lastly, how dare YOU, sir! Memphis is a lovely city rich in history and culture, with some of the greatest food in the region. It is one of the great cultural centers of our region, along with Houston, Acadiana, New Orleans, etc...

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I am not discounting what your regime contributed to this region. As I said previously, we are all southerners and have given back to our great and humble land, and I recognize that, and I hold that this region is better off for your service, as a legislature is something we always needed.

But I disagree with the argument that because the IDS has been around longer than the Dirty South, that it should stay. It's easy to keep it around when you and your successor both supported it. It has been nearly impossible to change it given those circumstances, as the South has not been a beacon of diverse ideas until recently, and when you have loyalists in positions of power, you can keep it around for as long as you want. The recent growth from these "carpetbaggers" has made it possible for us to finally start discussing the return of sanity to the south.

As for the name, I am not arguing that we return it to the Dirty South. I don't find that name disparaging at all, not anymore so than your name, which suggests we are some English guild, when the English were our enemies, burning our great cities to the ground and raping our women and children, but I would be open to new names that don't give me the feeling I am at a renaissance fair every time I see them printed.

As for your assertion that Memphis is some cultural center....lol. Charleston, New Orleans, Savannah, Houston, Richmond, Nashville all come to mind when I think of the historically great southern cities. Memphis? Not so much until Elvis was around.

[CatoMinor]

I don't think of guilds or old England, I think of the great and terrible chamber of Dibble, I think of the majestic Imperial Mansion, of the mighty Imperial Guard, of people in a small town Louisiana buying in dibbles instead of Dollars. 

I would not be inherently opposed to a new name (though if put to a vote I would still choose IDS) on the grounds that it is not a direction and that it make an effort to confirm the nasty hick/redneck stereotypes that Yankees try and force on us. To be honest I am not in love with our flag and would support changing that.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

That's all good and well that you think of those things, but the average person thinks of horrible costumes, bad food, and tacky decorations when they hear those names.

Also, I was unaware that the Dirty South was such a bad name. It is some taboo in your part of the south? I have only heard it in a positive manner around the lowcountry of SC and the research Triangle of NC.

I simply think it's time to bring southern traditions back to the South - southern traditions everyone recognizes as southern, like we had in the old days. When this region was brought back to life, one of the first things we tried to do was make the south southern rather than simply a generic region - and when I say southern, I mean all of the things discussed above.

Jbrase is a fine boy and a fine servant of this great region, but he must recognize we all don't think like he thinks. Many of our new residents, southern and carpetbagger alike, simply have no idea why we name ourselves after King Arthur's' court. And it shouldn't be that way.

At least we can all agree to change the flag

[Dereich]

The problem with a name change is that we don't have a consensus as to what the name should be. What I would LIKE to do is have a referendum first on whether or not we should change the name, then if that ends up passing we would decide and vote on the new name later. I'm not sure if that could be done constitutionally though...

Also, IDS slot one now is used by The Roscoe Conkling Equity Before the Law Act. Get to it legislators.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Do what you feel is necessary, Dereich. Don't let Jbrase and I's pissing match get in the way of your business.

[CatoMinor]

I'm all down for giving the region more a southern feel again, and as for the Dirty South, I only consider it a bad name because it just seems to be as if we are insulting ourselves.

And Dereich, Duke is right, don't let us get in the way of KILLING WITH FIRE the Roscoe Whatever Kill Rich People Act.

[Velasco]

The problem with a name change is that we don't have a consensus as to what the name should be. What I would LIKE to do is have a referendum first on whether or not we should change the name, then if that ends up passing we would decide and vote on the new name later. I'm not sure if that could be done constitutionally though...

Basically, there's a divide between those whom they want to support the whole imperial nomenclature and the rest of us. I believe that it's not so complicated. Some of us have proposed to call to the region simply " the South " and, certainly, those that want to refer with familiarity to our dear land as the " Old and Dirty South " will do it without any problem. "The South " is neutral and inclusive the " Imperial Dominion " it's not.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I would favor something that is uniquely southern. The South as a region is such a vast and diverse area of the country as it is in Atlasia. I would oppose a simple return to the Southeast as a name, but the South may work. This is a debate I hope we can all have when the appropriate time comes.

I just wanted the IDS Legislature to know I am watching closely for it to begin, and wherever you turn, wherever you go, I will be watching, as an all knowing, mindful man would do. This is my home region. I started my Atlasian career here. I have a huge interest in where this debate will go, and I hope to take part in it when the time comes.

[Donerail]

Hey y'all, what bits of Canada should we get?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

We don't get Canada. We get Mexico (except Baja California, Baja California Sur, Sonora, and Chihuahua).