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« Reply #2625 on: June 04, 2012, 07:20:14 PM »

Does the cost of this bill matter at the state level? Like, all of these things are great, but are they practical?
Last I checked we are running a decent surplus with near 0 tax rates, so we should be able to afford this, though a cost estimation from the moderator team might be a good idea.

sjoyce, didn't we change something about the student:computer ration so as to not tax the resources of rural school districts?  I know there are places in South Georgia where students cannot ford graphing calculators, and I imagine those schools are nowhere near able to meet this criterion.

We discussed it, and I suggested summoning the SoIA. However, we no longer have one of those, so...
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« Reply #2626 on: June 05, 2012, 11:20:08 PM »

     We don't have much of a surplus. Don't remember what it is off the top of my head, but I think it is in the area of 3-4 billion dollars.
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« Reply #2627 on: June 06, 2012, 02:14:00 AM »

We have a surplus and no income taxes?
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« Reply #2628 on: June 06, 2012, 02:18:37 PM »

We have a surplus and no income taxes?
Something like that, yeah.  We haven't run up a lot of expenses.

And I guess we should contact shua about this.  I will PM him.
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« Reply #2629 on: June 06, 2012, 03:36:37 PM »

We have a surplus and no income taxes?
Something like that, yeah.  We haven't run up a lot of expenses.

And I guess we should contact shua about this.  I will PM him.
If you don't have income taxes, you'll need to rewrite #4. 
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« Reply #2630 on: June 06, 2012, 04:03:01 PM »

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I believe this is our current income tax code (for persons and corporations).
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« Reply #2631 on: June 06, 2012, 05:57:01 PM »

     The regional income tax is the same as of the state of Georgia, basically.
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« Reply #2632 on: June 06, 2012, 10:10:27 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2012, 11:10:22 PM by HagridOfTheDeep »

Sincerely sorry for my lack of involvement here. It's turned into a hellish last few weeks. Bronchitis ain't pretty. Wink

Here's some changes I suggest. Changes are bolded. I haven't yet addressed section 1...

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« Reply #2633 on: June 07, 2012, 05:03:13 PM »

Most of the suggestions are things already discussed or additional cost-cutting measures that I thought would be good to put on the table.
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« Reply #2634 on: June 07, 2012, 05:06:23 PM »

Most of the suggestions are things already discussed or additional cost-cutting measures that I thought would be good to put on the table.

1st friendly, 2nd friendly, 3rd friendly, 4th friendly, 5th unfriendly, 6th unfriendly, 7th friendly, 8th friendly.
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« Reply #2635 on: June 07, 2012, 06:45:11 PM »

To clarify, you are unfriendly on cutting the section re: state subsidized post-grad education for teachers? And unfriendly to not forcing schools to update textbooks regularly?

I'll easily concede the latter point. How often should we stipulate they update their textbooks? (I'd be all for emphasizing the role of school fundraising here... Maybe the government pays for half the cost of upgrading textbooks every 5 years?)

Still not sure about us paying for master's degrees though. It's a huge and unprecedented cost... Moreover, we might get into the problem of people only becoming teachers to get a free degree. I don't know. Is there a compromise we could make on this?
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« Reply #2636 on: June 07, 2012, 06:50:00 PM »

To clarify, you are unfriendly on cutting the section re: state subsidized post-grad education for teachers? And unfriendly to not forcing schools to update textbooks regularly?

I'll easily concede the latter point. How often should we stipulate they update their textbooks? (I'd be all for emphasizing the role of school fundraising here... Maybe the government pays for half the cost of upgrading textbooks every 5 years?)

Still not sure about us paying for master's degrees though. It's a huge and unprecedented cost... Moreover, we might get into the problem of people only becoming teachers to get a free degree. I don't know. Is there a compromise we could make on this?


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These two. I was good with the textbook one. As to the master's/doctorate thing, I think I forgot to update that one (it had something like "after you get the degree, you have to teach in an IDS public school for at least 8 years" or such).
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« Reply #2637 on: June 08, 2012, 12:15:11 PM »

Hmm. That warms me up to the idea a bit. I'd be curious to see what everyone else thinks.
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« Reply #2638 on: June 08, 2012, 12:21:47 PM »

I was thinking about making it public-college only (since those have cheaper tuition).
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« Reply #2639 on: June 11, 2012, 07:33:46 PM »

That would make sense. I don't know how corporations do it where they pay for an employee to get an MBA, but I think there would need to be some limit on the amount of money the degree would cost.
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« Reply #2640 on: June 11, 2012, 09:03:54 PM »
« Edited: June 11, 2012, 09:18:24 PM by SoEA SJoyceFla »

10.) In order to teach, teachers must hold a bachelor's degree with a major in an area related to the field in which they wish to teach, or be National Board Certified. The region shall reimburse tuition for teachers studying for a higher degree related to a field of study that is relevant to their job up to $12,000 or 75% annually (whichever is greater) at a public university or college, so long as the employee legally agrees to teach in an IDS public school for 5 years following the completion of their degree.
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« Reply #2641 on: June 11, 2012, 09:12:18 PM »

I can support that.
(namely because I was literally just about suggest a higher amount Tongue)
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« Reply #2642 on: June 13, 2012, 04:03:46 PM »

I've been quite disconnected from IDS politics and, as Legislator, I'm more an empty seat than any asset. Therefore I resign as IDS legislator.
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« Reply #2643 on: June 13, 2012, 04:43:03 PM »

Executive order from the Office of the Attorney General, Fuzzybigfoot:


This administration charges the Imperial Region with breaking Second Clause of Section 7, Article 1 of Atlasia's third constitution by creating a regional curency (the "Dibble") under the Second Section of the Trojan Act. 


Due to said violations, Federal Agents will seize control of all exchange places listed in the Trojan Act (including the Imperial Capital of Memphis and all other state capitals in the Southern region) and cease the exchange and distribution of "Dibbles" to all Southern citizens.




Stand by for an impending lawsuit against the Imperial South.
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« Reply #2644 on: June 13, 2012, 06:10:51 PM »

     That took a while. They just don't make federal thugs like they used to.
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« Reply #2645 on: June 13, 2012, 07:31:56 PM »

Should we secede?

In other news, I have a suggestion for the wording of section 1, re: teacher pay.

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I have no idea what the amounts should be. But according to this website, teachers would be making way more than they're currently making in Texas.

http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=2147501688

So any suggestions about the actual amounts would be welcome.
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« Reply #2646 on: June 13, 2012, 07:36:56 PM »

Hell no. Parental reviews? No way in hell I back this. Salary's good except for the government panel. I have concerns about the other two assessment methods as well.
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« Reply #2647 on: June 13, 2012, 07:48:55 PM »

what would you suggest? This is the section I'm least looking forward to working on, because I honestly have no idea how to go about doing this.

I support the idea of performance-based boosters, but I can't think of any fool-proof way to measure performance. If it's a test of the kids, you have teachers teaching to the test. If it's based on parental reviews, you get parents writing hearsay reviews. If you get peers to offer their evaluation, the friendlier teachers get rewarded.
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« Reply #2648 on: June 14, 2012, 01:27:05 AM »

I would like to present this bill for the consideration of our legislature during this trying time for the Dominion.

Southern Solidarity in Defense of the Dibble Act

1) The IDS Legislature, along with the citizens it represents, harshly condemns the overreach of Atlasia’s federal government in its short illegal occupation of the IDS capital and of the state capitals within the region.
2) This body reaffirms its commitment to the Dibble, a form of privately produced coinage that has never, and will never, constitute legal tender.
3) In solidarity against the federal government’s hostile takeover, June 13th shall be forever observed as “Dibble Defense Day.”
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« Reply #2649 on: June 14, 2012, 01:44:27 AM »

     Would this put the current debate on hold, or come after it?

     BTW, Yelnoc is not around at the moment. Jbrase needs to be confirmed as Special Prosecutor, and I suppose I will open the vote if Yelnoc doesn't show up in the next...18 hours or so. I already PM'd the Legislators, but this is a pubic notice too.
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