Libertarian Bashing

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

[Iosif]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

[Beet]

I will just say this, the number of actual libertarians who actually adhere to the utopian or ultramoralistic ideology of maximum freedom as a perfect trump of all other possible societal considerations, as opposed to people who generally like the idea of freedom and are predisposed to it to a high degree, is a very, very small number.

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

I'm 17, so I've already finished secondary school. Anyway, stop trying to use age as an excuse rather than actually discussing things. I think you'll find socialism is far more flawed than libertarianism is.

[Iosif]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

I'm 17, so I've already finished secondary school. Anyway, stop trying to use age as an excuse rather than actually discussing things. I think you'll find socialism is far more flawed than libertarianism is.

No, that's boring. I'd rather just leave you to your government is evil phase.

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

I'm 17, so I've already finished secondary school. Anyway, stop trying to use age as an excuse rather than actually discussing things. I think you'll find socialism is far more flawed than libertarianism is.

No, that's boring. I'd rather just leave you to your government is evil phase.

In that case, I win. Thank you.

Also, if you think that I'm some sort of anarcho-capitalist, I'm afraid you're wrong.

[Joe Republic]

It is generally a phase, though.  Of the seemingly limitless number of libertarians on this forum, how many do we actually have who have finished adolescence?  Four?  They apparently still understand how the philosophy is supposed to work in the real world, and I guess are still okay with that.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

[Free Palestine]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Explain all the libertarians who aren't teenagers, then.

[k-onmmunist]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age? And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

[Free Palestine]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

[Joe Republic]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age?

Well, duh.  You consider yourself mentally superior to a 10-year-old, don't you?

And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

Sure you can discuss it all you want.  It's the best way to explore one's own philosophical inconsistencies and illogicalities.  And then, once you have a full understanding of what libertarianism is all about, you'll then be able to see how it has virtually no compatibility with real adult life once you get to that stage.

[k-onmmunist]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age?

Well, duh.  You consider yourself mentally superior to a 10-year-old, don't you?

And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

Sure you can discuss it all you want.  It's the best way to explore one's own philosophical inconsistencies and illogicalities.  And then, once you have a full understanding of what libertarianism is all about, you'll then be able to see how it has virtually no compatibility with real adult life once you get to that stage.

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

So 20% of americans are self-identified Libertarians(notice the emphasis on self). Individuals can claim to be socially liberal and economically conservative but that does not mean that they are Libertarians.

[Free Palestine]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

So 20% of americans are self-identified Libertarians(notice the emphasis on self). Individuals can claim to be socially liberal and economically conservative but that does not mean that they are Libertarians.

By definition, libertarians believe in social and economic freedom.  Therefor, they are socially liberal and economically conservative, as are twenty percent of Americans.

[Free Palestine]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age?

Well, duh.  You consider yourself mentally superior to a 10-year-old, don't you?

And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

Sure you can discuss it all you want.  It's the best way to explore one's own philosophical inconsistencies and illogicalities.  And then, once you have a full understanding of what libertarianism is all about, you'll then be able to see how it has virtually no compatibility with real adult life once you get to that stage.

Explain all the libertarians out there who are not teenagers.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

they are just plain arrogant, and this is a fact.

Look at how Ron Paul pretended to be "champion of the constitution" without even earning that title. Did he win a competition or something? nope he just simply assumed that his view of the constitution was superior to someone else's view, and anyone who thought otherwise was simply deemed anti-constitution.


In the end that spend too much of their time being critical, and not enough of their time presenting new and interesting ideas.

Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black, again.

care to explain how that logical fallacy applies because that is exactly what Ron Paul and many of his supporters would do.

Because you yourself are a holier-than-thou, arrogant prick, which is exactly what you're accusing all libertarians of being.

In a modern democracy, not only can a libertarian be elitist; a libertarian has to be elitist. To be a libertarian in a modern democracy is to say that nearly 300 million Americans are wrong, and a handful of nay-sayers are right.   ”
    
— Bryan Caplan

Yes I am arrogant,but arrogance of many self-proclaimed Libertarians are tenfold and this is why I enjoy bashing them. Sure it is just my perception, but I have been arguing with libertarians for years. I know more about their ideology than many of them will probably even dare to consider. I know all of their arguments, and I have even read many of their books, papers and so forth.

Well, now you sound like you have some sort of psychological issue.  Don't you have anything more important to do than troll around the Internet and bash libertarians?  Also, your quote implies that libertarians are only a "handful" of the U.S. population, which they are not.

How many self-identified Libertarians are there? make sure that you can provide me with a source to back up any claim you make. I would also like to point out that the "elitist" claim comes from Bryan Caplan who is a self-identified Libertarian.

About twenty percent.

So 20% of americans are self-identified Libertarians(notice the emphasis on self). Individuals can claim to be socially liberal and economically conservative but that does not mean that they are Libertarians.

By definition, libertarians believe in social and economic freedom.  Therefor, they are socially liberal and economically conservative, as are twenty percent of Americans.

Economic freedom sounds like a very subject phrase, but you can be economically conservative and socially liberal while still supporting non-libertarian ideologies.

[Joe Republic]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

[Joe Republic]

Explain all the libertarians out there who are not teenagers.

I already did. 

[k-onmmunist]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

You must be the one who isn't as smart as 10 year old, given the fact you've resorted to personal attacks already.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Libertarian! Some how this sounds like a logical fallacy but i am not sure if it is Fallacy of composition or Equivocation?

[Joe Republic]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

You must be the one who isn't as smart as 10 year old, given the fact you've resorted to personal attacks already.

At the very least, I'm glad that you've accepted the substance in the rest of my post.  You didn't address it in any way, which indicates that you have no problem with it.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Libertarian! Some how this sounds like a logical fallacy but i am not sure if it is Fallacy of composition or Equivocation?

Lol i am going to have fun with this claim! 20% of Americans are socially liberal/ economically conservative and thus 20% of Americans are Log Cabin Republicans!

[Earth]

That's not an example of capitalism. Abusive working conditions can occur under any economic system.

Right, and it happened, and continues to, under capitalism. So, it is a good example, just like a photo of a computer chip, smoke stacks, a ceo, a bic pen, etc.

I actually think you could fit in well as a left-libertarian.

Left libertarianism/libertarian socialism is the only one that makes sense to me. Modern libertarianism is too indebted to the right.

[k-onmmunist]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

You must be the one who isn't as smart as 10 year old, given the fact you've resorted to personal attacks already.

At the very least, I'm glad that you've accepted the substance in the rest of my post.  You didn't address it in any way, which indicates that you have no problem with it.

I've already won. You resorted to insulting my intelligence. Hth.