Libertarian Bashing

[Joe Republic]

There is such a thing called multi-tasking, you know. 

Anyway, hopefully I've managed to make some impact with you guys.  I don't expect you to fully grasp what I mean until you too have 'flown the nest' so to speak.  My reason for being in this thread up to now is to hopefully set some of your expectations for the future. 

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

There is such a thing called multi-tasking, you know. 

Anyway, hopefully I've managed to make some impact with you guys.  I don't expect you to fully grasp what I mean until you too have 'flown the nest' so to speak.  My reason for being in this thread up to now is to hopefully set some of your expectations for the future. 

LOL

[Badger]

I think Joe is claiming that people too young to have been out on their own, in the workforce full time, plus absorbing the real world experience of those years after moving out from the folks may be far more susceptible to follow idealistic, but practically unworkable ideologies.

In fairness though, many of my older Republican extended family used to say that about my liberalism when I was a teenager too. Decades later I still hold the same fundamental core beliefs as I did then, and "the real world" only strengthened my conviction that my views are correct. On 20/20 hindsight, I view President Clinton's and Obama's economic policies to have been far more rational and pragmatic than anything the supposedly "realistic" conservatives like Reagan and the Bushes enacted.

[k-onmmunist]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

[Vepres]

Perhaps it would be useful to define libertarianism.

If you define it as fiscally conservative and socially liberal, than Joe made a number of wrong statements. If you define it has miniarchists (as little government as possible) and anarcho-capitalists, then Joe would indeed be correct.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Perhaps it would be useful to define libertarianism.

If you define it as fiscally conservative and socially liberal, than Joe made a number of wrong statements. If you define it has miniarchists (as little government as possible) and anarcho-capitalists, then Joe would indeed be correct.

No he wouldn't.

[k-onmmunist]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

No it wouldn't! *huge essay here*

[segwaystyle2012]

That's not an example of capitalism. Abusive working conditions can occur under any economic system.

Right, and it happened, and continues to, under capitalism. So, it is a good example, just like a photo of a computer chip, smoke stacks, a ceo, a bic pen, etc.

I actually think you could fit in well as a left-libertarian.

Left libertarianism/libertarian socialism is the only one that makes sense to me. Modern libertarianism is too indebted to the right.

You should work with us.

[Joe Republic]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

A what?

[segwaystyle2012]

I actually agree with a lot of what Joe's saying. The sheer idealism of so many libertarians here is insulting. Pragmatism and realism are two things a minority population can't avoid.

[Joe Republic]

In fairness though, many of my older Republican extended family used to say that about my liberalism when I was a teenager too. Decades later I still hold the same fundamental core beliefs as I did then, and "the real world" only strengthened my conviction that my views are correct. On 20/20 hindsight, I view President Clinton's and Obama's economic policies to have been far more rational and pragmatic than anything the supposedly "realistic" conservatives like Reagan and the Bushes enacted.

I did say that young people who claim one of the mainstream ideologies are likelier to stick with it as they mature than those who claim one of the non-mainstream ones. 

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

In fairness though, many of my older Republican extended family used to say that about my liberalism when I was a teenager too. Decades later I still hold the same fundamental core beliefs as I did then, and "the real world" only strengthened my conviction that my views are correct. On 20/20 hindsight, I view President Clinton's and Obama's economic policies to have been far more rational and pragmatic than anything the supposedly "realistic" conservatives like Reagan and the Bushes enacted.

I did say that young people who claim one of the mainstream ideologies are likelier to stick with it as they mature than those who claim one of the non-mainstream ones. 

Oh, and you are the arbiter of what is a "mainstream ideology"?

[segwaystyle2012]

Does Joe even have an ideology?

[k-onmmunist]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

A what?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ninnyhammer

Use more archaisms, mome

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

[Joe Republic]

Does Joe even have an ideology?

Not really.  I think I mentioned somewhere else that I'm more of a political observer than an actual participant.  Politics is like a spectator sport, as far as I'm concerned.  It helps me to stay objective, for one thing.  

[segwaystyle2012]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

are you actually taking this thread seriously?

[segwaystyle2012]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

are you actually taking this thread seriously?

I take most things seriously. You happen to be an exception.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

lol this thread is stupid and it is funny how people are offended. Its an opinionated thread....

This thread only gets stupid when you post in it.

are you actually taking this thread seriously?

I take most things seriously. You happen to be an exception.

Lol.....I have done very little except give my opinion and it seems that you have become offended. Without even trying I have managed to get under your skin.....it is a good feeling. of course it isn't really much of an accomplishment.

[Badger]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

A what?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ninnyhammer

Use more archaisms, mome

Cool! My official new word of the day!

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

ROFL
here is why I bash them.....Because it is easy.

They claim that they are true liberals or liberals in the classical sense.
They claim that they follow the true meaning of the constitution.
They claim that the free market is the best thing since wonder bread.
all of the above things are debatable and shouldn't be treated as fact....sounds more like opinion to me.
They use the word socialist,liberal, communist, statist, fascist, and collectivist to describe a political ideology that isn't theirs. I have learned that political name calling is a bad thing so instead of labeling others i just simply ask what their views are.

Now not every libertarian thinks like this,but most of the time they often act like this around me.

If they want to present their ideas to me they can...

I have three qeustions for Libertarians.
if the fed is abolished than what will happen to the bond market?
what will happen to the exchange value of the dollar, and the labor market if we legalize weed?
if we get rid of anti-trust laws....how will price elasticity be effected?

[Earth]

This needed it's own thread, why?

Oh right- attention.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

This needed it's own thread, why?

Oh right- attention.

nope because this isn't about bashing but is instead bout challenging individuals to think