Libertarian Bashing

[k-onmmunist]

Because they're scared of how true most of our beliefs are.

[k-onmmunist]

I thought Lief stopped posting in libertarian related threads?

That would be too good to be true. jfern, Lief etc. need to though... they don't have a clue what libertarianism is.

[k-onmmunist]

Because they're scared of how true most of our beliefs are.

more proof of libertarian arrogance.

Give it a rest. Capitalism works. Socialism doesnt.

[k-onmmunist]

Capitalism works.

lol no

200 years of history has proven me right.

[k-onmmunist]

Self-identified libertarians are a weird and diverse bunch of people who often have very little in common. I know of at least 4 different types of libertarians:

Type A is really a mainstream conservative, but he's gay, or likes to smoke pot, or enjoys some other family-unfriendy activity and he's affraid someone will call him a hypocrite if he identifies publicly as a conservative. They are probably at least a 51% majority of the "movement".

Type B is an anti-Semite, conspiracy nutjob, doom-is-coming, beware of the black helicopter guy who is stashing food, water and guns on his ranch in Idaho, you know, just in case.  These are really the most deplorable people who associate with libertarianism.

Type C is a disappointed paleoconservative, yearning for romantic days of 100% isolationist past. Sure, I don't agree with their foreign policy views, but this group is usually tolerable.

Type D is a libertarian leftist, they are like left-wing version of type A, liberals who like guns or are just a bit too mysanthropic to buy mainstream liberal Kumbaya mantra.  

The second most annoying thing about libertarians, is their constant bickering between themselves about what is "true libertarianism" (of course, conservatives and liberals bicker too about ideological purity, but not so passionately as libertarians, which is natural because like I said, libertarians often come from at least 4 different mindsets). However, the most annoying thing about libertarians is their belief that there's some silent libertarian majority that will soon rise and that the majority of people are really unconscious libertarians.

This is a really good analysis.

I'll just add that, while I'll take your word that the type A and D libertarians are the majority of the movement, thanks in part to the rise of the tea partiers the selective small government hypocrites from type C and (especially) the wholly obnoxious type B's are by far the loudest and most public face of the movement--and hence most annoying--both in RL and on the forum.

Beyond that, though, I don't really have a problem with libertarianism (or libertarians).

Hehe, I think I'd be a type D.

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

I'm 17, so I've already finished secondary school. Anyway, stop trying to use age as an excuse rather than actually discussing things. I think you'll find socialism is far more flawed than libertarianism is.

[k-onmmunist]

Libertarianism is fundamentally a flawed concept and I find it interesting that the majority of libertarians on this board have yet to complete secondary school.

They'll grow up one day.

Don't be stupid.

How old are you, 'Winston'?

I'm 17, so I've already finished secondary school. Anyway, stop trying to use age as an excuse rather than actually discussing things. I think you'll find socialism is far more flawed than libertarianism is.

No, that's boring. I'd rather just leave you to your government is evil phase.

In that case, I win. Thank you.

Also, if you think that I'm some sort of anarcho-capitalist, I'm afraid you're wrong.

[k-onmmunist]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age? And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

[k-onmmunist]

So we're somehow mentally inferior because of our age?

Well, duh.  You consider yourself mentally superior to a 10-year-old, don't you?

And libertarianism isn't worth discussing because it happens to be younger people who may more often be associated with it?

Sure you can discuss it all you want.  It's the best way to explore one's own philosophical inconsistencies and illogicalities.  And then, once you have a full understanding of what libertarianism is all about, you'll then be able to see how it has virtually no compatibility with real adult life once you get to that stage.

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

[k-onmmunist]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

You must be the one who isn't as smart as 10 year old, given the fact you've resorted to personal attacks already.

[k-onmmunist]

1. No. There are some 10 year olds that are smarter than me, most likely. And I am probably smarter than some 30 year olds. Age isn't always a good excuse.
2. Whatever.

Yes, I thought perhaps I was being a little too presumptious by suggesting that you're smarter than a 10-year-old.

But you're sort of missing the point.  It's not the number of years that always determines if a person should have outgrown libertarianism or not, but rather their connection to the real world.  The majority of adolescent 'libertarians' still live at home and are likely still financially dependent on their family.  Thus, although they may understand how the philosophy is supposed to work, they haven't yet seen how impractical and incompatible it is to the real world.

Much like communism, ironically enough.

You must be the one who isn't as smart as 10 year old, given the fact you've resorted to personal attacks already.

At the very least, I'm glad that you've accepted the substance in the rest of my post.  You didn't address it in any way, which indicates that you have no problem with it.

I've already won. You resorted to insulting my intelligence. Hth.

[k-onmmunist]

Oh dear.  If discussions are always about 'winning' and never acknowledging what other people have even said, then it seems you still have a very long way to go before you outgrow libertarianism.  Good luck to you, I suppose.

You didn't acknowledge what I said, so I decided to treat you with the same condescending, annoying manner you treat me and other people with.

[k-onmmunist]

I'm sorry, but you're using the age excuse AGAIN. There are young Democrats, Republicans, socialists etc.... why is it that it's only immature when libertarians are young?

Seriously, stop trying to use my age as an excuse and do some growing up yourself.

[k-onmmunist]

How have I not acknowledged what you said here?

You've said it's immature because I happen to have been born in a time period that is more recent than your own.

[k-onmmunist]

How do you know they're more likely? You don't have access to everyone's brains to see what their political views are.

[k-onmmunist]

No, but it's easily observable.  For example, as I asked at the very start of this morning's discussion, how many of the vast multitude of libertarians on this forum could accurately be described as adults?  No more than a half-dozen, surely?

Most of the forum is relatively young. It should be of no surprise that as a result, most libertarians on here are quite young.

[k-onmmunist]

I'm a Libertarian, Sewer. Ban the government! Legalise everything! End regulation! Destroy the fed! Privatise education! Privatise health care! Disband the military! No more taxes! The private sector will take care of everything! Gary Johnson is going to landslide Obama, that socialist scum!

Now if you excuse, my mother wants me to do my homework.

Ha, and you think I'm supposed to be childish.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[k-onmmunist]

No, but it's easily observable.  For example, as I asked at the very start of this morning's discussion, how many of the vast multitude of libertarians on this forum could accurately be described as adults?  No more than a half-dozen, surely?

Most of the forum is relatively young. It should be of no surprise that as a result, most libertarians on here are quite young.

That's a rather odd way of distorting perception.  But yes, the forum's libertarian contingent is disproportionately younger than the mainstream ideologies.

Umm... no. There are many young Republicans (NiK, tmthforu94 etc.) and many young Democrats (benconstine, Xahar) and independents (Sewer)... your point is invalid.

[k-onmmunist]

Not really, it's about the same as other ideologies. And even so, if you're trying to make out libertarianism is immature because it attracts younger people, that's simple ageism.

[k-onmmunist]

Oh whoopee, another single sentence response. 

This discussion is rather pointless at this particular stage, because neither of you will fully comprehend what I'm talking about until what I'm talking about actually occurs.  It should only be a matter of time though, you'll be pleased to know.

it became pointless the minute you decided there was nothing better to do on your Saturday then to insult people who don't agree with you.

[k-onmmunist]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

[k-onmmunist]

Trying to define libertarianism will add 5 pages to this thread with libertarians arguing with each other.

No it wouldn't! *huge essay here*

[k-onmmunist]

I know, but it's when Joe decides to act like a total ninnyhammer about our ideology and generally put us down that it annoys me.

A what?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ninnyhammer

Use more archaisms, mome