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Question: Who do you think was a better president?
JFK   -42 (38.9%)
LBJ   -66 (61.1%)
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« on: March 14, 2010, 03:32:19 pm »
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Who do you think was a better president, John F. Kennedy or Lyndon B. Johnson?

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 04:03:53 pm »
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LBJ by far. JFK is way overrated.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2010, 10:13:12 pm »
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The progress Lyndon Johnson made for civil rights far outweigh the achievements of most other presidents.
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2010, 10:14:22 pm »
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JFK by far.

LBJ was the worst president since World War II.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 10:04:56 am »
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LBJ, without question.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 02:29:32 pm »
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Easily Johnson.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 02:31:53 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 03:31:46 pm »
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LBJ accomplished more but he also drastically increased our role in Vietnam. I have similar opinions of both LBJ and Nixon: Both accomplished some very good things for the country and they both did some things that left a stain we are still trying to get out...
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2010, 03:51:42 pm »
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Kennedy, easily.
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2010, 04:20:52 pm »
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both were good
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2010, 04:28:31 pm »
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The progress Lyndon Johnson made for civil rights far outweigh the achievements of most other presidents, summed.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2010, 04:52:23 pm »
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Johnson should probably be on Mount Rushmore.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2010, 04:52:50 pm »
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Both were hawkish nationalist types, but at least LNJ had civil rights and the Great Society. Kennedy really is an overrated President.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2010, 05:13:14 pm »
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but at least LNJ had civil rights and the Great Society. Kennedy really is an overrated President.

Who's LNJ? I'm assuming you have a typo and mean LBJ.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2010, 06:26:46 pm »
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Johnson should probably be on Mount Rushmore.

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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2010, 06:40:47 pm »
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The down to earth civil rights crusader from Texas was a far better President than the sex obsessed patrician from Massachusetts.
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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 08:23:37 am »
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Tough to say. Johnson's domestic accomplishments with civil rights legislation and numerous domestic accomplishments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBJ#Major_legislation_signed (also add establishing the National Endowment(s) for the Arts (and) Humanities) is impressive to say the least. But the impact of Vietnam can't be understated, and LBJ bares overwhelming personal responsibility for the vast escalation of American involvement.

Yes, Kennedy and Eisenhower had American troops there already, but nowhere to the degree LBJ deployed after the Gulf of Tonkin. Also by most accounts (e.g. then Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield) JFK intended on gradually withdrawing the then small number of American troops in Vietnam after the 64 election. Anything could've happen, of course, but it seems likely we would've never had the Vietnam War if JFK had lived.

In all, tossup.
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 10:38:45 am »
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 01:20:14 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 02:06:25 pm »
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The progress Lyndon Johnson made for civil rights far outweigh the achievements of most other presidents.

Those ideas came from JFK, who would have continued pursuing it if they passed. JFK had the intention of bringing all our advisory forces back from Vietnam after he was re-elected. LBJ sent 500,000 combat troops into a war that he didn't think we could win AND LBJ saying this is on the record.

JFK wins. LBJ was a great politician but mad some very bad decisions of his own. JFK was better.
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2010, 04:31:15 pm »
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Johnson should probably be on Mount Rushmore.

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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2010, 05:30:56 pm »
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The progress Lyndon Johnson made for civil rights far outweigh the achievements of most other presidents.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2010, 06:03:22 pm »
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JFK did almost nothing (except being manhandled by Tovarishch Nikita). LBJ did a lot of things, with mixed results. It's a matter of taste, but I'd say LBJ.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2010, 04:20:45 pm »
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I think that Johnson and Reagan should join the others already on Mount Rushmore.

Johnson did a lot for America. The civil rights bill and the great society should have put him on Mount Rushmore but maybe Vietnam was enough to take him off. I think that Vietnam would have a better place in history if Kennedy had not been assassinated.

Reagan let the defecit slip for satisfactory but he was a major player in bringing the cold war to an end. He is also very much beloved by the american people. I think that if the people had to vote for who should be on mount rushmore, they would possibly vote for Reagan.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 06:46:30 pm »
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