VP Picks' Influence on the Ticket

[Bo]

List all VP picks since 1948 for both parties and say whether you think they helped or hurt their party's general election prospects. I will put up my own list/opinion later.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

1948: Neither helped

1952: Nixon helped; Sparkman helped slightly

1956: Nixon helped

1960: LBJ helped

1964: Neither helped

1968: Muskie helped

1972: Neither helped

1976: Neither helped

1980: Bush helped

1984: Neither helped

1988: Quayle hurt; Bentsen helped

1992: Quayle hurt

1996: Kemp helped

2000: Lieberman hurt; Cheney didn't help

2004: Edwards didn't help

2008: Neither helped

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

1952: Nixon helped, Sparkman had NI

1956: Nixon had NI, Kefauver had NI

1960: LBJ helped, Lodge hurt

1964: Humphrey had NI, Miller had NI

1968: Agnew helped, Muskie helped

1972: Angew had NI, Eagleton hurt, Shriver had NI

1976: Mondale helped, Dole had NI

1980: Bush helped, Mondale had NI

1984: Bush had NI, Ferraro had NI

1988: Quayle hurt, Bentsen helped

1992: Quayle had NI, Gore had NI

1996: Kemp had NI, Gore had NI

2000: Lieberman had NI, Cheney helped

2004: Edwards had NI, Cheney helped

2008: Biden helped, Palin hurt

[DS0816]

With excpetion of Joe Biden, interesting how disgraceful the Republican and Democratic v.p. picks were during the 2000s.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

With excpetion of Joe Biden, interesting how disgraceful the Republican and Democratic v.p. picks were during the 2000s.

[sg0508]

LBJ was a big help to Kennedy in winning TX, one of the deciding states.

Gore was a big help to Clinton with the all southern ticket to break the republican south.

Dole really hurt Ford.  Sure, he held on to maybe some of the plains states, but where the election was lost, NY/PA, etc, he killed him.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

Warren had, more or less, no effect.

Sparkman aided Stevenson in the South, (which was important) not much else.

LBJ helped Kennedy, Lodge had no effect.

.. meh too lazy for the rest.

[pragmatic liberal]

CW is that running mates rarely matter, but I remember back during the '08 campaign, this piece made the counter argument that in close races, the running mate selections almost always have mattered.

Link: http://hnn.us/articles/54821.html

[Bo]

CW is that running mates rarely matter, but I remember back during the '08 campaign, this piece made the counter argument that in close races, the running mate selections almost always have mattered.

Link: http://hnn.us/articles/54821.html

In that case, you mind telling us how (in which way) the VP picks impacted the campaigns of both parties in 1948, 1960, 1968, 1976, 2000, 2004, and 2008?

[justW353]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

1952: Nixon helped, Sparkman had NI

1956: Nixon helped, Kefauver had NI

1960: LBJ helped, Lodge hurt

1964: Humphrey had NI, Miller had NI

1968: Agnew helped, Muskie helped

1972: Angew had NI, Eagleton hurt, Shriver had NI

1976: Mondale helped, Dole had NI

1980: Bush helped, Mondale had NI

1984: Bush had NI, Ferraro had NI

1988: Quayle hurt, Bentsen helped

1992: Quayle hurt, Gore had NI

1996: Kemp had NI, Gore had NI

2000: Lieberman hurt, Cheney helped

2004: Edwards had NI, Cheney helped

2008: Biden helped, Palin helped overall (she won Montana and the Dakotas for McCain)

[Bo]

2000: Lieberman hurt, Cheney helped

2008: Biden helped, Palin helped overall (she won Montana and the Dakotas for McCain)

Why do you think Lieberman hurt Gore, specifically? Also, I think McCain would have won Montana and the Dakotas even without Palin.

[You kip if you want to...]

2008: Palin helped overall (she won Montana and the Dakotas for McCain)

But lost Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and Ohio while extending Obama's margins in NH and NV.

[Bo]

2008: Palin helped overall (she won Montana and the Dakotas for McCain)

But lost Colorado, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and Ohio while extending Obama's margins in NH and NV.

McCain would have probably lost CO, VA, FL, and OH even without Palin. However, I agree that McCain's margin of loss would have been smaller in these states and that McCain would have won NC and IN without Palin.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

You might be right. If Warren did help Dewey, it might have been minimal. However, I don't think Dewey had that large of a problem with conservatives since many of them wanted to see a Republican in the WH as soon as possible and didn't care if that Republican would be too moderate for their tastes or not.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

You might be right. If Warren did help Dewey, it might have been minimal. However, I don't think Dewey had that large of a problem with conservatives since many of them wanted to see a Republican in the WH as soon as possible and didn't care if that Republican would be too moderate for their tastes or not.

 A lot of conservatives probably stayed home since they didn't see much of a choice between the two major party candidates...

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

You might be right. If Warren did help Dewey, it might have been minimal. However, I don't think Dewey had that large of a problem with conservatives since many of them wanted to see a Republican in the WH as soon as possible and didn't care if that Republican would be too moderate for their tastes or not.

 A lot of conservatives probably stayed home since they didn't see much of a choice between the two major party candidates...

I don't think that many conservatives stayed home because party loyalty was very high in 1948. Similar to how many conservatives voted for Ike, Nixon, and Ford due to party loyalty despite the fact that they disagreed with them on many major issues.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

You might be right. If Warren did help Dewey, it might have been minimal. However, I don't think Dewey had that large of a problem with conservatives since many of them wanted to see a Republican in the WH as soon as possible and didn't care if that Republican would be too moderate for their tastes or not.

 A lot of conservatives probably stayed home since they didn't see much of a choice between the two major party candidates...

I don't think that many conservatives stayed home because party loyalty was very high in 1948. Similar to how many conservatives voted for Ike, Nixon, and Ford due to party loyalty despite the fact that they disagreed with them on many major issues.

We're talking about conservatives, not Republicans.

[Bo]

NI=no impact

1948: Warren helped, Barkley had NI

How did Warren help in 48? He didn't even deliver California.

He made CA closer and he helped deliver ID.

Um, ID voted for Truman.

And CA was easily winnable for a Republican. Warren didn't do the trick.

Sorry. I meant to say that Warren delivered OR and almost delivered ID.

Dewey probably would have won OR with or without Warren. I doubt many Oregonians based their vote on having California's favorite son on the ticket...

It's not inconcivable that Warren helped swing 1.5-2.0% of moderate OR voters to Dewey. Dewey might have won OR without Warren, but it's not a guarantee.

Dewey was a moderate himself. He didn't need Warren to attract moderate votes.

Had Dewey chosen someone exciting, perhaps some firebrand conservative, he would have still won Oregon, but also enough other states to win the election.

You might be right. If Warren did help Dewey, it might have been minimal. However, I don't think Dewey had that large of a problem with conservatives since many of them wanted to see a Republican in the WH as soon as possible and didn't care if that Republican would be too moderate for their tastes or not.

 A lot of conservatives probably stayed home since they didn't see much of a choice between the two major party candidates...

I don't think that many conservatives stayed home because party loyalty was very high in 1948. Similar to how many conservatives voted for Ike, Nixon, and Ford due to party loyalty despite the fact that they disagreed with them on many major issues.

We're talking about conservatives, not Republicans.

I know that. Most conservatives in 1948 were Republicans. And in regards to conservative Democrats, they had no problem with voting for liberal Democrats for President between 1932 and 1960 (with the partial exception of 1948, where they wouldn't have voted Republican either due to GOP support for civil rights) due to strong party loyalty.