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« on: March 24, 2010, 01:59:50 AM »

Of course, some will say the Democrats already had their "Ronald Reagan" in FDR--And while that may be true, do you think there's any possibility Obama will step up and mold/shape/influence the Democratic party in the same way for the coming decade/decades that FDR did in the 30s up until the 60s, or like Reagan did and continues to do for the GOP in the 80? Do you think he'll become as iconographic of the 2010s as Reagan was in the '80s or FDR was in the '30s? I mean for example how the GI Generation associated FDR with their youth as do many of the kids of the 80s associate Reagan with their youth--whereas other presidents are not as fondly or nostalgically connected with their era.
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2010, 02:01:11 AM »

No. Reagan was re-elected.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2010, 02:01:25 AM »

It's possible. Even though I think Reagan is way overrated.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 02:01:46 AM »


So will Obama.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2010, 02:52:31 AM »

This comparison has never been made.  Especially not on this forum.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2010, 03:13:10 AM »

No.
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 03:13:59 AM »

Obama has pushed for some important things that have been passed but he's not God, people.
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2010, 03:21:28 AM »

Sure, if you like.  But what do we all think will be Obama's parallel to Iran-Contra and the senility?
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2010, 03:23:22 AM »
« Edited: March 24, 2010, 03:24:57 AM by opebo »

...Reagan was right and his policies produced an economic recovery, two deacdes of prosperity without inflation, and a peaceful end to the Cold War.

No, his policies produced enormous debt, severe inequality, radically heightened social ills, and our current economic collapse.

It is worth noting that Obama cannot be a 'Ronald Reagan', simply because Reagan was a right wing extremist.  Obama's policies are just centrist, nothing to write home about - no Ronald Reagan of the Left is possible in America as he would not be elected, and even if elected would be quickly assassinated.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2010, 07:51:09 AM »

In terms of legacy, maybe, in that he'll be re-elected easily, and be generally popular, universally praised by his party, and strongly disliked by the other.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2010, 08:04:42 AM »

Obama does not have that cult of personality like Reagan did.

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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2010, 08:12:40 AM »

Obama does not have that cult of personality like Reagan did.

Didn't you just get that backward?
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2010, 08:32:40 AM »

It took Obama over a year to get his pet issue (health care reform) passed with pretty significant majorities in the House and the Senate (the fact that the Democrats couldn't get it passed with a 60 seat filibuster majority should say something about the party leadership).  How long again did it take Ronald Reagan to get his tax cuts passed with only a 53 Republican majority in the Senate and a noticeable minority in the House?
In terms of getting things done, I disagree.  If however you mean Obama will be greatly overrated like Ronald Reagan, I agree.
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2010, 08:39:10 AM »


The bigger difference is that Reagan was right and his policies produced an economic recovery, two deacdes of prosperity without inflation, and a peaceful end to the Cold War.

No, no and no.
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2010, 08:41:20 AM »

It took Obama over a year to get his pet issue (health care reform) passed with pretty significant majorities in the House and the Senate (the fact that the Democrats couldn't get it passed with a 60 seat filibuster majority should say something about the party leadership).  How long again did it take Ronald Reagan to get his tax cuts passed with only a 53 Republican majority in the Senate and a noticeable minority in the House?
In terms of getting things done, I disagree.  If however you mean Obama will be greatly overrated like Ronald Reagan, I agree.

It's so hard to oppose tax cuts and remain politically popular.
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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2010, 10:19:11 AM »

It took Obama over a year to get his pet issue (health care reform) passed with pretty significant majorities in the House and the Senate (the fact that the Democrats couldn't get it passed with a 60 seat filibuster majority should say something about the party leadership).  How long again did it take Ronald Reagan to get his tax cuts passed with only a 53 Republican majority in the Senate and a noticeable minority in the House?
In terms of getting things done, I disagree.  If however you mean Obama will be greatly overrated like Ronald Reagan, I agree.

It's so hard to oppose tax cuts and remain politically popular.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2010, 10:23:24 AM »

Obama does not have that cult of personality like Reagan did.

Didn't you just get that backward?

you must be joking - people worshiped Reagan.  Obama is only liked strongly by a much smaller segment of the population.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2010, 10:26:40 AM »

Obama does not have that cult of personality like Reagan did.

Didn't you just get that backward?

you must be joking - people worshiped Reagan.  Obama is only liked strongly by a much smaller segment of the population.

Blacks?
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2010, 10:36:00 AM »

Obama does not have that cult of personality like Reagan did.

Didn't you just get that backward?

you must be joking - people worshiped Reagan.  Obama is only liked strongly by a much smaller segment of the population.

Blacks?

Actually I forgot about them - I was thinking of left-leaning college students.  But regardless, yeah about 20% of the population thinks Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and another 25-30 percent just like him because they're sick of the horrible alternative.  Reagan had like half the population thinking he shat gingerbread cookies.
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2010, 01:37:39 PM »


Barack Obama is more like the JFK of the 21st century.  He's an inspiring, likeable President who looks cool and symbolizes a new era in American culture, but is also a young, relatively unqualified President who isn't making much headway in terms of hard policy.  Hopefully he won't also cheat on his wife and get assassinated.
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2010, 04:38:11 PM »


Barack Obama is more like the JFK of the 21st century.  He's an inspiring, likeable President who looks cool and symbolizes a new era in American culture, but is also a young, relatively unqualified President who isn't making much headway in terms of hard policy.  Hopefully he won't also cheat on his wife and get assassinated.

I'd say Clinton was more like the JFK of the 21st century--After all, he served until 2001. JFK wasn't a liberal; JFK was more of a moderate in the same way Clinton was--He was also strongly opposed by the GOP Congress and like Clinton failed to get his major agenda passed (For JFK it was the New Frontier/Medicare/Medicaid; For Clinton it was Healthcare and gays in the military)--Both were in their time regarded as youthful, warm, vital, invigorating, charismatic relatively young men and both were in their time regarded as sex symbols by the young and middle aged woman of their eras.

Obama is neither moderate, nor warm, nor invigorating nor regarded as a sex symbol except by perhaps ''Obama Girl.'' He's more successful at getting legislation passed, unlike JFK and Clinton; He's too willing to bend or compromise (His "I won" attitude) whereas Clinton and JFK to a lesser extent were willing to work with the Congress they had but fought hard on the big issues to them--For example, the 1995/1996 Government Shutdowns.

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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2010, 08:53:51 PM »


Um, not really...
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2010, 12:55:24 PM »

Not at all.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2010, 01:48:11 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2010, 03:21:05 PM »

It took Obama over a year to get his pet issue (health care reform) passed with pretty significant majorities in the House and the Senate (the fact that the Democrats couldn't get it passed with a 60 seat filibuster majority should say something about the party leadership).  How long again did it take Ronald Reagan to get his tax cuts passed with only a 53 Republican majority in the Senate and a noticeable minority in the House?
In terms of getting things done, I disagree.  If however you mean Obama will be greatly overrated like Ronald Reagan, I agree.

It's so hard to oppose tax cuts and remain politically popular.

Not to mention that unlike today's Republicans, Democrats in the 80's were willing to work and compromise with Reagan.
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