Why so poisonous?

[CARLHAYDEN]

I've been asking myself for sometime why the Bush haters are so poisonous?

After listening to many of them, two salient points seem to apply.

First, the Bush haters are enraged that he has been so sucessful.

While the liberals could sucessfully cower Bush sr., Furd, and Nixon, they have been unable to cower Reagan or Bush Jr.

They tried to explain away Reagan's sucesses by calling him the 'great communicator.'  Cann't exactly say that about GW, who admits that his wife speaks better english than he does.

Second,  the remnants of liberal power in the federal government are primarily in the judiciary.  If Bush gets reelected, he's not going to appoint liberal judges.

The clock is ticking on many of the liberal judges on the federal court.  The grim reaper will soon be removing many of them.

[Grad Students are the Worst]

I think that the opposite seems true for Kerry supporters. As I've said, it's all a matter of perspective. And from my perspective, the last line of your post is a tad tasteless.

[AuH2O]

tick, tick, tick... that's the sound of the Democratic Party. ABB isn't enough...

[CollectiveInterest]

I've been asking myself for sometime why the Bush haters are so poisonous?

You refuse to see reality for what it is. The people who point out the contradiction between your ideology and reality are "poisonous". Whatever, dude.

[J. J.]

No hardly, we had one poster insisting that a story had been retracted, yet the web site showed it still there.  That guy is living in fantasy land.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Who are you referring to?  People on this board?  For the most part, the only people who hurl personal insults around here are Bush supporters.

[J. J.]

Who are you referring to?  People on this board?  For the most part, the only people who hurl personal insults around here are Bush supporters.

Yep, see the "Explosives" thread.  Let's see.  I've been told I can't read, even though the story didn't say what the poster said, told by several people that they wanted to have sex with me, asked if I gay, told Dick Cheney abused his family, that I lie (once by a Bush supporter) been accused of voter fraud, all by Kerry supporters.   

OOOH all those Kerry supporters are soooooooo nice.

In case you missed it, that's sarcasm.

[Gabu]

Bush supporters are just as poisonous.  It's just a lot harder to notice something like that from a group that you agree with.

[J. J.]

Bush supporters are just as poisonous.  It's just a lot harder to notice something like that from a group that you agree with.

Gov. Nick raised the issue of "Bush supporters," though you'll note that I did memtion a Bush supporter as well.

[J-Mann]

I think this is true to a certain extent, and may stem from liberals and Democrats being frustrated at being out of power for four years (and longer in Congress).  At the same time, there are some equally hateful Republicans out there.

But overall, I've always seen the Democrats as thinking they had some kind of right to be nastier.  Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton brought out the screaming hoards during the 2000 debacle in Florida and no one batted an eye, but all of the Dems called for calm when Republicans started taking to the streets.  Bush campaign headquarters are attacked, protesters infiltrate Republican gatherings, and Ann Coulter has pies flung in her direction, all because they're spouting a Republican message.

This is unfair; Republicans do their share of shady things to Democrats, yet I look on the Democrats as the more likely to turn to violent action, not because they have the means, but because they haven't ever really been challenged on it.  Violent protesters trash a few streets and their message is heard.  That's why I think Democrats were so scared when Republicans took to the streets in Florida in 2000; they'd never seen it before.  They had a real fear of any violent action being taken against them!

It'd be nice if in this Presidential campaign, George Bush could talk about George Bush, and John Kerry could talk about John Kerry.  But negativity rules the day, because we the people secretly like that kind of thing.  Don't expect either side to become less poisonous in the week - and indeed in the years - ahead.

[Gabu]

Bush supporters are just as poisonous.  It's just a lot harder to notice something like that from a group that you agree with.

Gov. Nick raised the issue of "Bush supporters," though you'll note that I did memtion a Bush supporter as well.

But I'm not claiming that Bush supporters are the only ones who do it. I'm saying that both sides do it; most people just think it's only or at least predominantly the other side because they don't recognize it from their own side.

It gets kind of tiring being attacked because of my political beliefs; it's for that reason that I personally try to do as little of that as possible.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I've been asking myself for sometime why the Bush haters are so poisonous?

After listening to many of them, two salient points seem to apply.

First, the Bush haters are enraged that he has been so sucessful.

While the liberals could sucessfully cower Bush sr., Furd, and Nixon, they have been unable to cower Reagan or Bush Jr.

They tried to explain away Reagan's sucesses by calling him the 'great communicator.'  Cann't exactly say that about GW, who admits that his wife speaks better english than he does.

Second,  the remnants of liberal power in the federal government are primarily in the judiciary.  If Bush gets reelected, he's not going to appoint liberal judges.

The clock is ticking on many of the liberal judges on the federal court.  The grim reaper will soon be removing many of them.

Bush is sucessful. He's successful at running a country into the ground.

[J. J.]

Gov. Nick raised the issue of "Bush supporters," though you'll note that I did memtion a Bush supporter as well.

But I'm not claiming that Bush supporters are the only ones who do it. I'm saying that both sides do it; most people just think it's only or at least predominantly the other side because they don't recognize it from their own side.

It gets kind of tiring being attacked because of my political beliefs; it's for that reason that I personally try to do as little of that as possible.

I didn't say you were.  Gov. Nick referred to "Bush Supporters."  I answered that.

[J. J.]

Bush is sucessful. He's successful at running a country into the ground.

You are confusing the word "country" with the words "liberal Democrats."

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bush is sucessful. He's successful at running a country into the ground.

You are confusing the word "country" with the words "liberal Democrats."

So only liberals lost jobs in the last 4 years? Only liberals lost money as the stock market has gone down? Only liberals have died for their country in Iraq? Gotcha.

[J. J.]

Bush is sucessful. He's successful at running a country into the ground.

You are confusing the word "country" with the words "liberal Democrats."

So only liberals lost jobs in the last 4 years? Only liberals lost money as the stock market has gone down? Only liberals have died for their country in Iraq? Gotcha.

I hate to tell you this, but the stock market bubbly burst in 1999-2000, when the recession started.  In Iraq it was Saddam Hussien that was run into the ground, quite literally.  It was Bush that helped end the recession, the roots of which started in the late 1990's.   It was also Bush policies that got the majority of the 1 million jobs lossed due to 9/11 back.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bush is sucessful. He's successful at running a country into the ground.

You are confusing the word "country" with the words "liberal Democrats."

So only liberals lost jobs in the last 4 years? Only liberals lost money as the stock market has gone down? Only liberals have died for their country in Iraq? Gotcha.

I hate to tell you this, but the stock market bubbly burst in 1999-2000, when the recession started.  In Iraq it was Saddam Hussien that was run into the ground, quite literally.  It was Bush that helped end the recession, the roots of which started in the late 1990's.   It was also Bush policies that got the majority of the 1 million jobs lossed due to 9/11 back.

All major stock market indexes are down since Jan 20th, 2001, not whenever you claim ehwatever started. Bush is over 800,000 jobs in the hole, and over 1.5 million private sector jobs. Your figures are wrong.

[khirkhib]

I think that it is funny that he accuses liberals of being violent and irrational.  Just in another thread Phillip threated to kill Liberals if a democraticlly elected government decided to create a national health care system.  Who do you think people in militia vote for?  Tim McVeigh was in a member of the Aryan Republican Army.  What party do you think his friends and family vote for.

Caucasion, male, IQ above average, 105-120 range, socially adequate, lives with partner or dates frequently, stable father figure, follows the news media, may be college educated, and good hygiene/housekeeping skills.
The description of your typical republican and the description of your typical serial killer.

I'm playing but stop demonizing liberals OK. We are not bad people. We are as American as all Americans and we want to make our country better.  In another thread people were all talking about how America won't last another 100 years.  Liberals are the optomists, they want to make our country strong.  They want to eliminate poverty.  They want to make the world a better place.

One of the best descriptions I ever heard of the two parties is that Republicans live for a 1950s type utopia that never exhisted and Democrats live for a future utopia that is impossible.
 

[J. J.]

I'm playing but stop demonizing liberals OK. We are not bad people. We are as American as all Americans and we want to make our country better.  In another thread people were all talking about how America won't last another 100 years.  Liberals are the optomists, they want to make our country strong.  They want to eliminate poverty.  They want to make the world a better place.

Here is a quote from one of the "liberals."

What causes sexual preference is of no interest to me, but what causes intolerance of another's sexual preference does interest me.  It seems to mainly stem from sick religion and a sick culture.  I'm all for Kerry pointing out Cheney's mistreatment of his family.

Yes, this of sick demonizing should stop.  I am well aware that conservatives say stupid things too, but they should be called on them, and I have not rushed to their defense when they are called on it.

[opebo]

Religion.

[J-Mann]

All major stock market indexes are down since Jan 20th, 2001

Check out the Nasdaq.  I don't believe that Clinton had much to do with the market boom or bust, but I believe the Nasdaq lost over 50% of its value before Bush took office.

[CollectiveInterest]

All major stock market indexes are down since Jan 20th, 2001

Check out the Nasdaq.  I don't believe that Clinton had much to do with the market boom or bust, but I believe the Nasdaq lost over 50% of its value before Bush took office.

Is Bush responsible for anything bad? Or does he have a Monopoly card that says "No my fault"?

[shankbear]

he has been wrong about our borders.  He has been wrong continuing to help fund thee United Nations.  He has been wrong wasting money on programs which have been abject failures since the days of LBJ.

He is right about the war on terror and any nation that participates or harbors terrorists.

You LIBERALS have an attitude that if there is a disagreement between you and GOP supporters that it simply means that GOP folks are WRONG.  What a warped view.  Disagreement is just disagreement.

[CARLHAYDEN]

I think that the opposite seems true for Kerry supporters. As I've said, it's all a matter of perspective. And from my perspective, the last line of your post is a tad tasteless.

First, poll after poll has indicated that Kerry supporters are in fact Bush opponents and just supporting Kerry because he's the Democrat and to the left of Bush.

Even the SUSA polls show this in most states!

Second, when I post something disagreeing with Kerry, I am generally quite specific, often citing a source (I have cited his voting record, I have cited specific statements he has made).  Kerry supporters generally make evaluative general statements without citing specifics (they alledge he's stupid, lying, etc.)

Third, Bush supporters can generally cite at least one (often more) examples of where they disagree with Bush policies.  I have (to cite one example) disagree with Bush's immigration polcies (whick comes close to amnesty).  Kerry supporters are loathe to disagree (publicly) with Kerry on any specific item.

Fourth, there are numerous examples of Bush headquarters over the past month being invade, burgled, shot at, etc.  So far, I have only heard of one allegations of a Kerry headquarters being subject to this source of attack.

[J-Mann]

All major stock market indexes are down since Jan 20th, 2001

Check out the Nasdaq.  I don't believe that Clinton had much to do with the market boom or bust, but I believe the Nasdaq lost over 50% of its value before Bush took office.

Is Bush responsible for anything bad? Or does he have a Monopoly card that says "No my fault"?

I wasn't excusing or even trying to explain any supposed mistakes that you think Bush has made.  I was making a point to refute the above supposition that the economy had only gone south SINCE January 20th, 2001.  It's simply not true.