people need to be more civil in political discussion.

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I'd just ask that you not label people socialist, who aren't socialist.  You can call me a socialist since I'm more or less a Democratic Socialist (just like Sanders... though that doesn't mean a whole lot)... but Obama is not one.  Just because he promotes socialization of some programs does not mean he wants to dismantle the "free" market or private capital.
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First, let me suggest that your views are NOT definitive. 

Second, its nice of you to recognize that obama "promotes socialization of some programs."

Third, I suggest you go back in the multitude of statements made by Obama in the past, and you will find where he has stated his objectives, which fit the generic definition of socialism.


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A generic view of socialism would be much more than government bailouts for corporations that are deemed "too big to fail" (by the corporations themselves, no less) and laws that make it easier for poor people to get medical insurance.  That's not socialism.  I don't even know what that is... watered down corporate centrism?

You want socialism?  How about a completely government run medical system.  The government opens up hospitals and clinics and employs doctors and nurses.. and care is rationed out based mostly on need but no one person is subject to higher quality care than anyone else.  And people pay into this system based on their ability to pay.

That is socialized medicine.  Obama has never proposed such a system.
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First, the British Fabian Society formalized the strategdy of taking what you can get now, and going back for more. 

Obama is repeatedly on record as supporting a single payer system, and has made it pretty clear that the current scheme is merely a step on the road to more centralized control by the federal government.

Second, please take a look at the provisions of the bill, which includes a panel which will determine which approaches physicians may use to treat their patients.

Do you remember a couple of months ago the recommendation of a panel for decreasing mammograms?

Third, they scheme which Obama and his associates have enacted is bound to fail in that it will push costs into a gigantic increase.

Obama and his associates have a 'solution' for this hangover problem, more government.

Finally, I suggest you review his statements about wanting to redistribute the wealth (which he has never disavowed).

[President Mitt]

Honestly calling george bush a fascist or obama a socialist reminds me of how hitler would simply call people a jew or a socialist. I really cant respect people who engage in name calling, and its just better to discuss policy on a more pragmatic level.

lol Republicans are turning into fascists.

lol