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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2010, 06:20:01 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2010, 06:25:02 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2010, 06:29:58 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.
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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2010, 06:32:48 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.

I thought he meant executive power.  However, Biden had more executive experience as a County Councilor than Palin did as Governor, which is damned pathetic.
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2010, 07:08:42 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.

He did not govern!
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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2010, 07:09:09 PM »

And she helped the McCain ticket.
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2010, 07:15:21 PM »

Helped him lose by a bigger margin, yes.
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2010, 07:20:54 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.

He did not govern!

Having "governing" experiewnce does not necessarily make someone a great President. Bsuh Jr. and Carter were popular governors, but very bad Presidents.
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« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2010, 07:23:51 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.

He did not govern!

He did as County Councilor, and he served more time than Sarah Palin.

Also, if you are part of the government, you govern.
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2010, 08:47:51 PM »

VP is not a top 25 issue. However, Palin had more governing experience than Biden, Obama, and McCain put together. Somebody disagree!

Joe Biden served on the City Council of New Castle County, Delaware, from 1971 to 1973, home to some 500,000 people.

Sarah Palin had served a year and a half as Governor of Alaska during her time in office.  She governed over just 100,000 more people than Biden did.



Not to mention that Biden served 36 years in the Senate (from 1973 to 2009), represeanting a state with nearly a million people near the end of his Senate term.

He did not govern!

Blindly ignoring facts presented to you is not the proper way to debate.
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« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2010, 09:02:42 PM »

governing as part of the senate, ok that's not at all what I am referring to so we have apples and oranges here. Palin had been governor of a state and none of the other 3 had.
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« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2010, 09:35:13 PM »

governing as part of the senate, ok that's not at all what I am referring to so we have apples and oranges here. Palin had been governor of a state and none of the other 3 had.

Joe Biden governed nearly as many people while a County Councilor as Palin did as Governor.
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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2010, 11:13:48 PM »

good for him he didn't govern a state though. it's funny how we agree on some forums and disagree on other forums but hey that's democracy at work.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »

good for him he didn't govern a state though. it's funny how we agree on some forums and disagree on other forums but hey that's democracy at work.

Doesn't matter. He still governed a large city which is almost as populous as Alaska.
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2010, 02:03:17 PM »

This huge emphasis on "executive experience" as the be all and end all for judging a would-be president's resume came about on the 2008 campaign as the GOP tried to have its cake and eat it too; simultaneously defending a woefully unprepared and unqualified candidate like Palin, but still try to hit Obama on the experience issue. It was fun watching campaign hacks sounding as if an assistant manager at Kinko's was superior experience for the Oval Office than being Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair.
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2010, 02:18:42 PM »

Although Palin energized many conservatives, almost all of those conservatives would have voted for McCain (with less enthusiasn, though) if Palin was not on the ticket since they would not want to see a liberal Muslim socialist in the White House. On the other hand, Palin alienated many moderates and independents and caused many of them to vote against McCain. Thus, she hurt McCain more than she helped him.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2010, 12:18:37 AM »

If anyone hurt the McCain/Palin ticket it was Bush.
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2010, 12:20:51 AM »

If anyone hurt the McCain/Palin ticket it was Bush.

That's true, but Palin also hurt McCain's chances. Not to mention Greenspan since he was the one who blew up the housing bubble in the first place.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2010, 12:25:43 AM »

The housing market meltdown was staged for years to take place a few weeks before the 2008 presidential election. President Bush had his own bill in 2003 and the democrats fought it til the bill died in the senate. In 2005 McCain had his own bill that was voted against by both sides. The democrats had that up their sleeves for years. Not to mention Chris Dodd was the highest recipient of their loans with Obama coming in at number 2. They could've panicked 10 years earlier too. The collapse was bound to happen due to interest rates being too low and too many ppl being allowed to take out loans who had no intention on paying them back. The policies go back to Jimmy Carter.
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« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2010, 12:29:28 AM »

The housing market meltdown was staged for years to take place a few weeks before the 2008 presidential election. President Bush had his own bill in 2003 and the democrats fought it til the bill died in the senate. In 2005 McCain had his own bill that was voted against by both sides. The democrats had that up their sleeves for years. Not to mention Chris Dodd was the highest recipient of their loans with Obama coming in at number 2. They could've panicked 10 years earlier too. The collapse was bound to happen due to interest rates being too low and too many ppl being allowed to take out loans who had no intention on paying them back. The policies go back to Jimmy Carter.

Republican Fed Chair Alan Greenspn was the one who made interest rates too low for too long in the first place, though.
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« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2010, 12:31:55 AM »

Well yes that is a part of it. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama should thank him.
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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2010, 12:51:45 AM »

Well yes that is a part of it. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama should thank him.

Bush Jr. should also thank Greenspan for pumping up the economy enough for him tog et reelected.
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« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2010, 07:45:23 AM »

Your saying the democrats plotted it? It was the democrats fault when Clinton deregulated the housing market, and entire suburbs turned into ghettos with in just a few shorts years. Had uncle that had a nice little house in a quaint suburb in 2000 that appraised for $130,000 in 2002 he sold it for 69,000. The Clinton administration is to blame for this debacle.
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« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2010, 10:18:39 AM »

Well yes that is a part of it. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama should thank him.

Bush Jr. should also thank Greenspan for pumping up the economy enough for him tog et reelected.

The economy is run by the ppl. Not pumped up by the government. Unless you're talking about interest rates and loan qualifications. The economy turned around as a cycle in 2003-2004. If Greenspan was whipping something up then I would like to thank him!
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« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2010, 10:24:13 AM »

Your saying the democrats plotted it? It was the democrats fault when Clinton deregulated the housing market, and entire suburbs turned into ghettos with in just a few shorts years. Had uncle that had a nice little house in a quaint suburb in 2000 that appraised for $130,000 in 2002 he sold it for 69,000. The Clinton administration is to blame for this debacle.

Yes Clinton put Carter's plan on steroids which allowed those of low incomes to qualify for loans that they had no intention on paying back. Republicans were spineless in their efforts to stop this. Bush called on congress to resolve this in 2003 and McCain had his own bill 2005. The democrats wanted to blame capitalism and greed because they know that the left in this country is too unsophisticated to know better. It was actually greed from ppl who were living above their means.
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