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« on: November 30, 2003, 08:06:02 pm »
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New York and Massachusetts, states which voted over 60% for Gore, have Republican governors. Mississippi elected a Democratic governor in '99, then went on to vote 58% for Gore. (All according to the main site, of course.) What's going on here?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2003, 08:14:53 pm »
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New York and Massachusetts, states which voted over 60% for Gore, have Republican governors. Mississippi elected a Democratic governor in '99, then went on to vote 58% for Gore. (All according to the main site, of course.) What's going on here?

Local politics.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2003, 08:41:20 pm »
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I wouldn't call it "wrong" at all!!! - its one of the more refreshing aspects of politics today.  There isn't a single state in the union that is completely within the domain of one party.  Even Idaho has a statewide Dem elected official.

That means we have more competition and competition produces better government and more choices for voters.

Also all of the "wrong" Governors tend to be more moderate than their national party counterparts.  If Mitt Romney were the face of the national GOP and Brad Henry were the face of the national Dems... you'd probably see more competition for federal offices in those respective states.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2003, 11:11:30 pm »
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wrong party governor, BOB HOlden Dem of Missouri, even his own party thinks he stinks and will challenge him in the primary.  If he is around for the general electiona  strong anti-holden vote could help Pres Bush as well.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2003, 12:10:12 am »
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htmldon - isn't Utah completely in the domain of the Republicans?

More interesting than "wrong party" governors would be wrong party senators, since the party ID of senators are actually important in the national balance of power. Obviously local politics is going on here as well-- but given a gap in ideology between the parties, do you see this breed as especially vulnerable in the long run?

Republican - 13

Plains - 6
Conrad, Kent (D) - North Dakota
Dorgan, Byron L. (D) - North Dakota
Johnson, Tim (D) - South Dakota
Daschle, Tom (D) - South Dakota
Baucus, Max (D) - Montana
Nelson, Ben (D) - Nebraska

South - 6
Edwards, John (D) - North Carolina
Hollings, Fritz (D) - South Carolina
Breaux, John (D) - Louisiana
Landrieu, Mary L. (D) - Louisiana
Lincoln, Blanche (D) - Arkansas
Miller, Zell (D) - Georgia

Midwest - 1
Bayh, Evan (D) - Indiana

Democrat - 10

Northeast - 6
Collins, Susan (R) - Maine
Snowe, Olympia J. (R) - Maine
Jeffords, Jim (I) - Vermont
Chafee, Lincoln D. (R) - Rhode Island
Santorum, Rick (R) - Pennsylvania
Specter, Arlen (R) - Pennsylvania

Midwest - 2
Coleman, Norm (R) - Minnesota
Fitzgerald, Peter (R) - Illinois

West - 2
Domenici, Pete V. (R) - New Mexico
Smith, Gordon H. (R) - Oregon
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2003, 09:40:10 am »
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Beet- well some of those senators will change and others the states could be changing.

One could argue Nelson of NE is essentially a GOP; many in your south list will become GOP next year; even though Gore won PA, until Rendell won there it was all GOP so having 2 senators that are GOP is not unusual-battleground state in 2004; West states you mention are not dominant Dem states just slightly so.

Dakotas laugh and say we send the money grubbers to DC to get us much as we can and then let the GOP conservatives manage it on the state level.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2003, 11:23:32 am »
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Utah has all-Republican statewide EO's but a Democrat congressman and will probably have a competitive Gubenatorial election.

htmldon - isn't Utah completely in the domain of the Republicans?
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2003, 11:39:03 am »
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Dems in Utah have done decent with Gov races, I believe it was 64-84 they held Gov mansion.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2003, 11:47:08 am »
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Pretty amazing, when you think about it, that the Dems held onto the Utah governorship in 1980 even though they lost the presidential race in Utah 73-21 percent that year!
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2003, 11:50:43 am »
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   The Democrats were quite competitive in local Utah elections up till the 80s. The populist William Jennings Bryan style Democrats held sawy among many rural and small town voters in Utah for quite a long time.

  As for PA, I would not consider it a Northeastren State, despite its location. Even the area that Gore did best in, Philadelphia, does not share the zeal for social liberalism that the rest of the area has, also the Philadelphia metro area is the biggest metro area to have the least amount of demographic changes in the last 20 years. Excellent Democratic GOTV efforts in the Philadelphia area combined with Bush DUI stink in the weekend before election drove up Gore performance there.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2003, 04:19:14 am »
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I wouldn't call it "wrong" at all!!! - its one of the more refreshing aspects of politics today.  There isn't a single state in the union that is completely within the domain of one party.  Even Idaho has a statewide Dem elected official.
Yes, unfortunately that is very true.  However, it's only 1 Democrat compared to 7 Republicans.  Sad  I'd rather have had our Lt. Governor be the Democrat that ran.  I hate ours.

You mean Bruce Perry?  I campaigned for him a bit.  I'm gald someone else doesn't like the "Prince of Darkness" Jim Risch.

I was so disappointed that Brady lost (02 D-ID gubernatorial nominee).  Everyone I talk to doesn't think much of Kempthorne.  Must just be that R next to his name.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2003, 03:58:31 pm »
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Right, I new who you were talking about.  Don't you think it's interesting that Tom Luna, the only statewide Republican to lose in 2002 was sgiven an appointed position this year by Kempthorne?
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2003, 05:33:11 pm »
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Happens all the time on both sides on the federal level.  

Thus AMBASSADOR Braun after she lost in 1998 Senate race on Dem Side and Energy Sec Spencer Abraham after his 2000 Senate loss in MI on GOP side to just name a couple examples.


Right, I new who you were talking about.  Don't you think it's interesting that Tom Luna, the only statewide Republican to lose in 2002 was sgiven an appointed position this year by Kempthorne?
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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2003, 05:45:24 pm »
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And John Ashcroft in Missouri, after losing his Senate race in 2000.
Yeah, it is kind of ironic in a way that losing an election can actually make you more powerful. Bush probably wouldn't have chosen Ashcroft or Abraham for his cabinet if they had won reelection, especially Ashcroft since Missouri has a Dem governor so he would've been handing the seat to the Dems. Likewise Clinton probably wouldn't have appointed Moseley-Braun since with a GOP governor he'd be giving away a Senate seat as well.
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And John Ashcroft in Missouri, after losing his Senate race in 2000.
Yeah, it is kind of ironic in a way that losing an election can actually make you more powerful. Bush probably wouldn't have chosen Ashcroft or Abraham for his cabinet if they had won reelection, especially Ashcroft since Missouri has a Dem governor so he would've been handing the seat to the Dems. Likewise Clinton probably wouldn't have appointed Moseley-Braun since with a GOP governor he'd be giving away a Senate seat as well.

LOL good point. I dont know which position Ashcroft prefers but he certainly has more power now.
About Braun I think its safe to say she would consider Ambassador to NEW ZEALAND a second choice to United States senator Grin

PS. No offence to NZ- wouldnt be smart on my part, I'll be reaching there in a few weeks. Cheesy
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Heck, they are a friendly country but not so much so that they let tourists vote Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2004, 12:18:16 pm »
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htmldon - isn't Utah completely in the domain of the Republicans?

More interesting than "wrong party" governors would be wrong party senators, since the party ID of senators are actually important in the national balance of power. Obviously local politics is going on here as well-- but given a gap in ideology between the parties, do you see this breed as especially vulnerable in the long run?

Republican - 13

Plains - 6
Conrad, Kent (D) - North Dakota
Dorgan, Byron L. (D) - North Dakota
Johnson, Tim (D) - South Dakota
Daschle, Tom (D) - South Dakota
Baucus, Max (D) - Montana
Nelson, Ben (D) - Nebraska

South - 6
Edwards, John (D) - North Carolina
Hollings, Fritz (D) - South Carolina
Breaux, John (D) - Louisiana
Landrieu, Mary L. (D) - Louisiana
Lincoln, Blanche (D) - Arkansas
Miller, Zell (D) - Georgia

Midwest - 1
Bayh, Evan (D) - Indiana

Democrat - 10

Northeast - 6
Collins, Susan (R) - Maine
Snowe, Olympia J. (R) - Maine
Jeffords, Jim (I) - Vermont
Chafee, Lincoln D. (R) - Rhode Island
Santorum, Rick (R) - Pennsylvania
Specter, Arlen (R) - Pennsylvania

Midwest - 2
Coleman, Norm (R) - Minnesota
Fitzgerald, Peter (R) - Illinois

West - 2
Domenici, Pete V. (R) - New Mexico
Smith, Gordon H. (R) - Oregon

What do you mean by vulnerable?  If politicians adapt, they can last a while.  Zell Miller is a great at it.  You make the race about you. You get the voters to ignore the party label. You have to have a great political ear.

I object to putting Coleman on this list. I am of the belief that MN is really heading toward a realignment.
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2004, 01:00:09 pm »
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I object to putting Coleman on this list. I am of the belief that MN is really heading toward a realignment.

I'm not disagreeing with you in asking this question, but how did socialist MN go over to the Republicans?
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A GOP governor just came to power in 2002, elected a new US SEnator (GOP) ousted a DEm Congressman that was very liberal, Bill Luther in 2002 for GOP, then GOP moved to within 34-31 in state senate, closest in years, and enhanced their hold on the House to a good size margin.  The Twin City suburbs voted overwhelmingly for GOP and contained a lot of votes.

just a few examples.

Plus in 2000, untilt he last week it was stilla tossup.  This is remarkable as Bush wrote it off and hardly campaigned at all or spent any money there.



I object to putting Coleman on this list. I am of the belief that MN is really heading toward a realignment.

I'm not disagreeing with you in asking this question, but how did socialist MN go over to the Republicans?
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You have to remember, though, that Nader did pretty good there, Bush only got 45% if I'm not mistaken.

Also, I think the question was more about why voters changed their minds, than the technical aspects of which offices the GOP took over... Wink

But I could be wrong, it feels kind of arrogant to explain other people's intentions, but I suppose I'm a busy body... Wink

A GOP governor just came to power in 2002, elected a new US SEnator (GOP) ousted a DEm Congressman that was very liberal, Bill Luther in 2002 for GOP, then GOP moved to within 34-31 in state senate, closest in years, and enhanced their hold on the House to a good size margin.  The Twin City suburbs voted overwhelmingly for GOP and contained a lot of votes.

just a few examples.

Plus in 2000, untilt he last week it was stilla tossup.  This is remarkable as Bush wrote it off and hardly campaigned at all or spent any money there.



I object to putting Coleman on this list. I am of the belief that MN is really heading toward a realignment.

I'm not disagreeing with you in asking this question, but how did socialist MN go over to the Republicans?
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45% ina  state where Bush didn'thardly campaign is not bad at all.  Not that much to get over the top if he campaigns there and he will.


You have to remember, though, that Nader did pretty good there, Bush only got 45% if I'm not mistaken.

Also, I think the question was more about why voters changed their minds, than the technical aspects of which offices the GOP took over... Wink

But I could be wrong, it feels kind of arrogant to explain other people's intentions, but I suppose I'm a busy body... Wink

A GOP governor just came to power in 2002, elected a new US SEnator (GOP) ousted a DEm Congressman that was very liberal, Bill Luther in 2002 for GOP, then GOP moved to within 34-31 in state senate, closest in years, and enhanced their hold on the House to a good size margin.  The Twin City suburbs voted overwhelmingly for GOP and contained a lot of votes.

just a few examples.

Plus in 2000, untilt he last week it was stilla tossup.  This is remarkable as Bush wrote it off and hardly campaigned at all or spent any money there.



I object to putting Coleman on this list. I am of the belief that MN is really heading toward a realignment.

I'm not disagreeing with you in asking this question, but how did socialist MN go over to the Republicans?
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Also, I think the question was more about why voters changed their minds, than the technical aspects of which offices the GOP took over... Wink

But I could be wrong, it feels kind of arrogant to explain other people's intentions, but I suppose I'm a busy body... Wink

That's exactly what I was referring to.  How did MN go from a Massachusetts to a swing state, since they voted Dem in every election from 1960 to now, except for Nixon's landslide in 1972?
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Also, I think the question was more about why voters changed their minds, than the technical aspects of which offices the GOP took over... Wink

But I could be wrong, it feels kind of arrogant to explain other people's intentions, but I suppose I'm a busy body... Wink

That's exactly what I was referring to.  How did MN go from a Massachusetts to a swing state, since they voted Dem in every election from 1960 to now, except for Nixon's landslide in 1972?

Hah! Once again, I read someone's mind, lol Smiley Wink
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Well one the parties shifted their policies.  Dems seem to care a lot more about the elite ideas than as they were seen for years as a party of the labor unions.  Unions are still there, but they don't seem to be the focus of the party.

Plus some migration has been happening here.  A number of factors really.



Also, I think the question was more about why voters changed their minds, than the technical aspects of which offices the GOP took over... Wink

But I could be wrong, it feels kind of arrogant to explain other people's intentions, but I suppose I'm a busy body... Wink

That's exactly what I was referring to.  How did MN go from a Massachusetts to a swing state, since they voted Dem in every election from 1960 to now, except for Nixon's landslide in 1972?
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