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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« on: April 06, 2010, 10:28:02 PM »

I am referring to the use of crude sexual language to describe a whole group of diverse people. Now, as you are aware I am no fan of the "Tea Party" movement but the use of sexual terminology to refer them is unacceptable, and depending on usage a violation of the TOS which you signed when you joined this forum. As such I have reported tonight three posts which I feel used the term in such a way that I think is a violation. Whether the moderators take this seriously or not, I don't know especialy since some of them, who will remain unnamed, use it themselves.

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 10:31:04 PM »

I've already explained my reasoning for using the term.  I will not use the derogatory term 'Tea Partiers' under any circumstances, except just then I guess.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 10:32:19 PM »

Teabaggers call them self that.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 10:36:52 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2010, 10:39:45 PM by Lunar »

I encouraged NC to make this thread, as I wasn't going to artificially start imposing some moratorium on the word that so many people use relatively innocently.  I disagree with him that it breaches the ToS.

As it's a mainstream word, that gets on cable news and past FCC filters, and one which has lost a lot of its vulgar connotations thanks to the tea partiers using that term to describe themselves, it's become sort of the equivalent of, I don't know, calling Democrats socialists or something.  I don't really hear the term anymore and think of the act of teabagging.  

Sure, it's childish and tiresome and cliche, but whatevsky, the internet is full of trends that are extremely tiresome, like the "epic fail" thing which is apparently still trendy here.  
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 10:40:27 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 10:41:27 PM »

I've already explained my reasoning for using the term.  I will not use the derogatory term 'Tea Partiers' under any circumstances, except just then I guess.

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Two, points

1) I said certain circumstances like when its used against a poster or a bunch of posters on the forum

Appropriate uses of the word would be when its in discussion of an article where a Teapartier used the term themselves.

Its not the word itself but the use of the word in the context of insulting or attacking forum members

2) Just because they choose to stoop to that level, doesn't mean you have to, Sewer.

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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 10:43:32 PM »

I respect Lunar's moderation, but people need to take a chill pill. We've gone from letting everyone get away with everything to freaking out over everyone's only mildly offensive and/or not-offensive-at-all-but-I-kinda-think-it-is-anyway statements.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 10:43:59 PM »


Not really in the present tense.  A few ignorant types holding signs and in the media repeated it, and that's where the term originated [which I think is important to note] but I'm not aware of anyone that still calls themselves a teabagger.

Black people can call themselves things you can't call them too Wink  [completely  unrelated]

IMO, in summary, the term is mainstream and de-sexualized.  
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 10:45:13 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2010, 10:50:02 PM by Lunar »

I respect Lunar's moderation, but people need to take a chill pill.

I told him to make this thread so that he could make his point, he could raise awareness of his message, and I didn't have to have people keep reporting posts [which sends me an email each time fwiw] that I would ignore as I just plain disagreed with the reasoning.  

He cares about the issue, I think he should raise it and challenge people to debate it or whatevsky.

I'm not gonna do anything with the use of the political term teabagger in the forum I moderate unless I become convinced otherwise, meh.  I've become a bit disenchanted with the term, but whatevsky, out of the things I care about this is not among them.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 10:50:14 PM »

Some times I wonder if people on this forum in general are too lazy to read full posts and just read the Topic heading and first sentence and then post a response.

MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.

And that definately violates the TOS, no matter what your interpreation of it, with regards to the rest of this issue which as Lunar stated is open to your political leanings reflecting in your interpretation.

I respect Lunar's moderation, but people need to take a chill pill. We've gone from letting everyone get away with everything to freaking out over everyone's only mildly offensive and/or not-offensive-at-all-but-I-kinda-think-it-is-anyway statements.

Its about context Marokai, which you conveniently ignored.
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 10:52:47 PM »


MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.


Didn't y'all (multiple people) report it when it was used to attack a terrorist though?  
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 10:53:53 PM »

1) I said certain circumstances like when its used against a poster or a bunch of posters on the forum

Appropriate uses of the word would be when its in discussion of an article where a Teapartier used the term themselves.

Its not the word itself but the use of the word in the context of insulting or attacking forum members
MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.

So, it's just like when non-Democrats deliberately use the word 'Democrat' as an adjective, feigning innocence in doing so, and then claim that people who find it irritating are simply getting their panties in a bunch?
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 10:57:42 PM »

1) I said certain circumstances like when its used against a poster or a bunch of posters on the forum

Appropriate uses of the word would be when its in discussion of an article where a Teapartier used the term themselves.

Its not the word itself but the use of the word in the context of insulting or attacking forum members
MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.

So, it's just like when non-Democrats deliberately use the word 'Democrat' as an adjective, feigning innocence in doing so, and then claim that people who find it irritating are simply getting their panties in a bunch?

Whatever you say, Democrat...
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 10:58:12 PM »

When right-wingers stop calling us the "Democrat Party", I will consider refraining from using the term "teabagger", as well as the accompanying verb "to teabag."

Furthermore, this is an accepted term, used by journalists. So I see no need to discontinue my use of it.

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 10:59:23 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2010, 11:03:13 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee (AFL-CIO-NC) »


MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.


Didn't y'all (multiple people) report it when it was used to attack a terrorist though?  

I only reported three posts, the latter of which was a direct attack on another poster. The first one was for the whole tread in general as it was the first post in the thread and the topic field had the word in it. I can't remember the second one right now, I will have to go back and check. I was pramarily aiming at those posts that insulted an individual member or those that insulted the entire group and be extention a bunch of forum members. I don't know what and why anyone else was reporting the term. I am not a mind reader.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2010, 10:59:40 PM »

1) I said certain circumstances like when its used against a poster or a bunch of posters on the forum

Appropriate uses of the word would be when its in discussion of an article where a Teapartier used the term themselves.

Its not the word itself but the use of the word in the context of insulting or attacking forum members
MY MAIN PROBLEM IS WHEN IT IS USED TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS.

So, it's just like when non-Democrats deliberately use the word 'Democrat' as an adjective, feigning innocence in doing so, and then claim that people who find it irritating are simply getting their panties in a bunch?

Whatever you say, Democrat...

That's actually the correct use of the term, as a noun.
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 11:21:29 PM »

This is probably not the most effective technique to change behavior. I am not sure what is, but I guess effective rebuttals of inappropriate characterizations of the group, and maybe mocking someone for degenerating into name calling rather than addressing the merits, with a dollop of humor might be one option.
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2010, 11:22:03 PM »

Shut up, man. You have no problem insulting other posters.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2010, 11:25:33 PM »

This is probably not the most effective technique to change behavior. I am not sure what is, but I guess effective rebuttals of inappropriate characterizations of the group, and maybe mocking someone for degenerating into name calling rather than addressing the merits, with a dollop of humor might be one option.

Frankly thats up to people who are members of or support the movement. My concern is that a potential TOS violation is being overlooked due to partisanship and childishness.

Shut up, man. You have no problem insulting other posters.

Indeed, but my bad behaviour doesn't justify yours or anyone else's bad behavior. It also doesn't change the facts of the matter either.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2010, 11:28:59 PM »

add this scary word to the list:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peEkaiRNZoM
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2010, 11:33:32 PM »

An offensive word only has as much power as the offended give it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2010, 11:34:56 PM »

An offensive word only has as much power as the offended give it.

right on, douche0man!  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2010, 11:37:52 PM »

I wasn't even aware of the sexual use of it until the idiots started using it so much.

I have no problem using it and will continue to do so, mostly because I find the "movement" so idiotic and childish to begin with I see no reason to grant them any level of respect. Go read their typical signs at their rallies about Obama and then start talking about how offensive the term is.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2010, 11:39:16 PM »

JW, why does the use of "Democrat" as an adjective bother the Red avvies so much?

Is there some overtone I'm not getting?
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2010, 11:47:46 PM »

JW, why does the use of "Democrat" as an adjective bother the Red avvies so much?

Is there some overtone I'm not getting?

Would it bother you if we referred to you incorrectly?
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