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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 03:31:12 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 03:37:12 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 03:38:32 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.

Because "conservatives" have a strong disagreement with the American Civil Liberties Union to the point of personal animosity?

In other words, if the ACLU stands for issues that "conservatives" disagree with it is only natural to expect a certain amount of dislike to exist between the two.
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 03:39:51 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.

Uh, I just did.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 03:43:04 pm »
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Sorry HoffmanJohn but asking why "conservatives" hate the ACLU is like asking why the Ku Klux Klan hates the NAACP (or vice versa).
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 04:25:35 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
I'll give you one, guns.  The ACLU has chosen not to protect that liberty for whatever reason.  Really, they ain't as bad as the right often make them out to be (I'm certainly guilty of it in the past).  Give me any random court case the ACLU has been involved with and I'm likely going to come down on their side.

But the guns thing keeps holding me back.


(and I still don't own a gun nor have any immediate need/desire to get one so leave the "gun nut" insults for somebody else)
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 04:50:02 pm »
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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
I'll give you one, guns.  The ACLU has chosen not to protect that liberty for whatever reason.  Really, they ain't as bad as the right often make them out to be (I'm certainly guilty of it in the past).  Give me any random court case the ACLU has been involved with and I'm likely going to come down on their side.

But the guns thing keeps holding me back.


(and I still don't own a gun nor have any immediate need/desire to get one so leave the "gun nut" insults for somebody else)

ok, than what do you like about the ACLU? why are they even involved in Guns?
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metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 01:18:35 pm »
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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2010, 01:28:13 pm »
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NAMBLA.

The hatred of NAMBLA is party based?
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2010, 01:29:01 pm »
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They defended NAMBLA when they gave out manuals on how to get away with their crimes. That's one reason though. There's plenty of other stupidity.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2010, 03:22:24 pm »
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They defended NAMBLA when they gave out manuals on how to get away with their crimes. That's one reason though. There's plenty of other stupidity.

Its about protecting free speech. I may disagree with what NABLA has to say, but i will defend the legal right for them to say it. In any event I think it is pretty STUPID to HATE an organization, and their really is no need to get emotional over it. I can understand how Family Value conservatives might get offended,but even they often benefit from the ACLU.

In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
Cases like this remind me of how the ACLU can be sometimes compared to atticus finch
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metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2010, 03:32:22 pm »
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Oh, were we using the real meaning of the word "hate"?  I thought we were using the internet/14 year old girl/"I hate that sports franchise" version of "hate".
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Oh, were we using the real meaning of the word "hate"?  I thought we were using the internet/14 year old girl/"I hate that sports franchise" version of "hate".

This issue brings up the well known "    Conservative Hate Culture" that can often be found on conservative radio outlets. Sometimes I think it is just an act that someone like Rush Limbaugh likes to throw on,but than I am constantly reminded how Tea Baggers are promoted by Fox news.
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metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2010, 03:45:05 pm »
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I'm not that kind of conservative.  Very few people here are.  They don't mesh well with others that don't believe the exact same things as them.  If you want that perspective you are going to need to go into the lion's den and ask them face to face.
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?
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They did defend Rush Limbaugh.

What would happen if the ACLU merged with the Cato Institute?
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2010, 10:23:19 pm »
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?
Because it is barely ever liberals infringing upon the civil liberties of conservatives?  Perhaps the opposite is the norm?
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2010, 11:04:53 pm »
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?

Because Conservatives are almost always wrong?
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2010, 11:53:09 pm »
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Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

I didn't know Arabs were allowed martyr complexes; I thought that was reserved solely to the Jews.
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2010, 11:54:59 pm »
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Quote from: StatesRights on April 08, 2010, 09:54:01 pm
Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

I didn't know Arabs were allowed martyr complexes; I thought that was reserved solely to the Jews.
Excellent joke sir!
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Quote from:   Martha Gellhorn for The Atlantic 1961
The unique misfortune of the Palestinian refugees is that they are a weapon in what seems to be a permanent war...today, in the Middle East, you get a repeated sinking sensation about the Palestinian refugees: they are only a beginning, not an end. Their function is to hang around and be constantly useful as a goad. The ultimate aim is not such humane small potatoes as repatriating refugees.
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