Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 04, 2015, 03:00:42 am
HomePredMockPollEVCalcAFEWIKIHelpLogin Register
News: Atlas Hardware Upgrade complete October 13, 2013.

+  Atlas Forum
|-+  General Politics
| |-+  Individual Politics (Moderators: Grad Students are the Worst, Torie, Sheriff Buford TX Justice)
| | |-+  Why do Conservatives hate the ACLU?
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 Print
Author Topic: Why do Conservatives hate the ACLU?  (Read 3719 times)
Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1953
United States


View Profile
« on: April 07, 2010, 03:24:49 pm »
Ignore

hahahaha
Logged

metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl
Libertas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15147
Finland


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2010, 03:31:12 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?
Logged

Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1953
United States


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 03:37:12 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
Logged

metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
Stone Cold Conservative
Mechaman
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 14420
Jamaica


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 03:38:32 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.

Because "conservatives" have a strong disagreement with the American Civil Liberties Union to the point of personal animosity?

In other words, if the ACLU stands for issues that "conservatives" disagree with it is only natural to expect a certain amount of dislike to exist between the two.
Logged



Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!
Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl
Libertas
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 15147
Finland


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 03:39:51 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.

Uh, I just did.
Logged

Stone Cold Conservative
Mechaman
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 14420
Jamaica


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2010, 03:43:04 pm »
Ignore

Sorry HoffmanJohn but asking why "conservatives" hate the ACLU is like asking why the Ku Klux Klan hates the NAACP (or vice versa).
Logged



Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass!
Jim Bolivar di Griz
Kalwejt
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 39301


View Profile
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 04:25:35 pm »
Ignore

Because they are conservatives, duh.
Logged

dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22933
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 04:33:06 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
I'll give you one, guns.  The ACLU has chosen not to protect that liberty for whatever reason.  Really, they ain't as bad as the right often make them out to be (I'm certainly guilty of it in the past).  Give me any random court case the ACLU has been involved with and I'm likely going to come down on their side.

But the guns thing keeps holding me back.


(and I still don't own a gun nor have any immediate need/desire to get one so leave the "gun nut" insults for somebody else)
Logged

I believe the simple truth is that they became somewhat alarmed when they realized that I really meant to write what I believed. There is a peculiar parallel between some of our great Northern "liberals" and some of our outstanding Southern liberals.

Some of the people in both classes share the deep-seated convictions that only their convictions can possibly be the right ones. They both inevitably say the same thing: "We know the Negro and what is best for him."
Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1953
United States


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 04:50:02 pm »
Ignore

Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.
I'll give you one, guns.  The ACLU has chosen not to protect that liberty for whatever reason.  Really, they ain't as bad as the right often make them out to be (I'm certainly guilty of it in the past).  Give me any random court case the ACLU has been involved with and I'm likely going to come down on their side.

But the guns thing keeps holding me back.


(and I still don't own a gun nor have any immediate need/desire to get one so leave the "gun nut" insults for somebody else)

ok, than what do you like about the ACLU? why are they even involved in Guns?
Logged

metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
Mint
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4624
View Profile
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2010, 01:18:35 pm »
Ignore

NAMBLA.
Logged
Grumps
GM3PRP
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 36115
Iran, Islamic Republic of
View Profile
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2010, 01:28:13 pm »
Ignore

NAMBLA.

The hatred of NAMBLA is party based?
Logged

Mint
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4624
View Profile
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2010, 01:29:01 pm »
Ignore

They defended NAMBLA when they gave out manuals on how to get away with their crimes. That's one reason though. There's plenty of other stupidity.
Logged
Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1953
United States


View Profile
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2010, 03:22:24 pm »
Ignore

They defended NAMBLA when they gave out manuals on how to get away with their crimes. That's one reason though. There's plenty of other stupidity.

Its about protecting free speech. I may disagree with what NABLA has to say, but i will defend the legal right for them to say it. In any event I think it is pretty STUPID to HATE an organization, and their really is no need to get emotional over it. I can understand how Family Value conservatives might get offended,but even they often benefit from the ACLU.

In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
Cases like this remind me of how the ACLU can be sometimes compared to atticus finch


« Last Edit: April 08, 2010, 03:32:46 pm by HoffmanJohn »Logged

metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22933
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2010, 03:32:22 pm »
Ignore

Oh, were we using the real meaning of the word "hate"?  I thought we were using the internet/14 year old girl/"I hate that sports franchise" version of "hate".
Logged

I believe the simple truth is that they became somewhat alarmed when they realized that I really meant to write what I believed. There is a peculiar parallel between some of our great Northern "liberals" and some of our outstanding Southern liberals.

Some of the people in both classes share the deep-seated convictions that only their convictions can possibly be the right ones. They both inevitably say the same thing: "We know the Negro and what is best for him."
Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.
HoffmanJohn
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 1953
United States


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2010, 03:36:29 pm »
Ignore

Oh, were we using the real meaning of the word "hate"?  I thought we were using the internet/14 year old girl/"I hate that sports franchise" version of "hate".

This issue brings up the well known "    Conservative Hate Culture" that can often be found on conservative radio outlets. Sometimes I think it is just an act that someone like Rush Limbaugh likes to throw on,but than I am constantly reminded how Tea Baggers are promoted by Fox news.
Logged

metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22933
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2010, 03:45:05 pm »
Ignore

I'm not that kind of conservative.  Very few people here are.  They don't mesh well with others that don't believe the exact same things as them.  If you want that perspective you are going to need to go into the lion's den and ask them face to face.
Logged

I believe the simple truth is that they became somewhat alarmed when they realized that I really meant to write what I believed. There is a peculiar parallel between some of our great Northern "liberals" and some of our outstanding Southern liberals.

Some of the people in both classes share the deep-seated convictions that only their convictions can possibly be the right ones. They both inevitably say the same thing: "We know the Negro and what is best for him."
??????????
StatesRights
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31275
Political Matrix
E: 7.61, S: 0.00

View Profile
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2010, 09:54:01 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?
Logged
Beet
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17138


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2010, 09:56:03 pm »
Ignore

They did defend Rush Limbaugh.

What would happen if the ACLU merged with the Cato Institute?
Logged

A New Chapter

"I feel like Paulette Revere — the recession is coming, the recession is coming!” - Hillary Clinton, April 3, 2008
??????????
StatesRights
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31275
Political Matrix
E: 7.61, S: 0.00

View Profile
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2010, 10:03:43 pm »
Ignore

What would happen if the ACLU merged with the Cato Institute?

The second coming of Christ?
Logged
Marokai Besieged
Marokai Blue
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17099
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.42, S: -7.39

P

View Profile
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2010, 10:10:27 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.
Logged


Those who shout the loudest about respecting “diversity” and the culture of others, cannot stir themselves to respect the French enough to learn their language and understand their culture.
??????????
StatesRights
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 31275
Political Matrix
E: 7.61, S: 0.00

View Profile
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2010, 10:13:35 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?
Logged
Snowguy716
snowguy716
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 17892
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -8.52

View Profile
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2010, 10:23:19 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?
Because it is barely ever liberals infringing upon the civil liberties of conservatives?  Perhaps the opposite is the norm?
Logged

"Above and beyond the question of how to grow the economy there is a legitimate concern about how to grow the quality of our lives."
-Paul Wellstone


"The message was that you are so well trained to believe what you see... That you believed what you saw."

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party
TexasGurl
texasgurl24
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 8710
Japan


Political Matrix
E: -10.00, S: -9.91

View Profile
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2010, 11:04:53 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?

Because Conservatives are almost always wrong?
Logged

Scam of God
Einzige
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 5231
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.19, S: -9.91

View Profile
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2010, 11:53:09 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

I didn't know Arabs were allowed martyr complexes; I thought that was reserved solely to the Jews.
Logged

Life is change --
How it differs from the rocks
I've seen their ways
Too often for my liking

New worlds to gain
My life is to survive
And be alive
For you


- Jefferson Airplane, "Crown of Creation"

The right to die in Iraq was a right not previously possessed by Americans for twelve long years.  Bush rectified that.
dead0man
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 22933
United States


Political Matrix
E: 6.84, S: -4.52

View Profile
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2010, 11:54:59 pm »
Ignore

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

I didn't know Arabs were allowed martyr complexes; I thought that was reserved solely to the Jews.
Excellent joke sir!
Logged

I believe the simple truth is that they became somewhat alarmed when they realized that I really meant to write what I believed. There is a peculiar parallel between some of our great Northern "liberals" and some of our outstanding Southern liberals.

Some of the people in both classes share the deep-seated convictions that only their convictions can possibly be the right ones. They both inevitably say the same thing: "We know the Negro and what is best for him."
Pages: [1] 2 3 Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Logout

Powered by SMF 1.1.20 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines