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« on: April 07, 2010, 04:33:15 PM »
« edited: April 20, 2010, 12:24:47 PM by Bacon King »

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 05:11:01 PM »

Oh come on, people. Say something.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 05:17:08 PM »

Does it look familiar? That's because it was a bill that was discussed and heavily debated a few sessions ago. It passed the Senate vote, but failed the public vote.
Some key differences between this version and the other version:
- This version is, overall, more specific than the other version.
- This version requires the voting ot be done in STV, while I believe the other didn't specify.
- On this version, all regions part of the possible deal have to vote 60% in favor. In the other version, it only needed a simple majority.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 07:36:34 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 07:38:23 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.
Regional Senate elections would still exist. Regions could just combine their elections, which could quite possibly create more interesting and suspenseful elections. Or, we can continue down the same boring path we've been taking for months...
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 07:45:38 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.
Regional Senate elections would still exist. Regions could just combine their elections, which could quite possibly create more interesting and suspenseful elections. Or, we can continue down the same boring path we've been taking for months...

Really? Three out of the five regional elections last time were very close and interesting.
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 07:51:57 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.
Regional Senate elections would still exist. Regions could just combine their elections, which could quite possibly create more interesting and suspenseful elections. Or, we can continue down the same boring path we've been taking for months...

Really? Three out of the five regional elections last time were very close and interesting.
I beg to differ. The Southeast and Pacific were never even remotely interesting. The Mideast had some drama early, but ended up being a landslide victory. While the Midwest appeared close, I don't think many people expected it to go the other way, simply based on the fact that liberals outnumber conservatives in the region, and the conservative candidate had the numbers to get close, but not to win. The Northeast was the only exciting race in this election, as the results suprised a lot of people. A combination, for example, of the Midwest and Pacific could have created a much more interesting race than the two regions individually.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 09:01:16 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.

Presumably this is directed at people who aren't blind reactionaries.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 10:17:18 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.
Regional Senate elections would still exist. Regions could just combine their elections, which could quite possibly create more interesting and suspenseful elections. Or, we can continue down the same boring path we've been taking for months...

Really? Three out of the five regional elections last time were very close and interesting.
I beg to differ. The Southeast and Pacific were never even remotely interesting. The Mideast had some drama early, but ended up being a landslide victory. While the Midwest appeared close, I don't think many people expected it to go the other way, simply based on the fact that liberals outnumber conservatives in the region, and the conservative candidate had the numbers to get close, but not to win. The Northeast was the only exciting race in this election, as the results suprised a lot of people. A combination, for example, of the Midwest and Pacific could have created a much more interesting race than the two regions individually.

I came within two votes of Hans, and the Mideast race, while not close, was certainly interesting to watch.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 10:18:54 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.

Presumably this is directed at people who aren't blind reactionaries.

Ah yes, I forgot the definition of reactionary.

Reactionary, n.: 1. Somebody who disagrees with Xahar.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 11:38:56 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.

Presumably this is directed at people who aren't blind reactionaries.

Ah yes, I forgot the definition of reactionary.

Reactionary, n.: 1. Somebody who disagrees with Xahar.

Don't pull an Einzige here.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 11:46:40 PM »

No thanks. I like regional Senate elections just fine.

Presumably this is directed at people who aren't blind reactionaries.

My desire to preserve the status quo would make me a conservative on the issue, not a reactionary. But I guess that doesn't sound as catchy, does it? Actually, that's probably giving you too much credit...
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 11:50:43 PM »

Because, obviously, reaction and conservatism are mutually exclusive.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2010, 12:52:02 AM »

Game reform for the sake of game reform, while interesting, may inevitably lead to more harm than good. This seems like it will be a) underutilized and b) a source of confusion.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 12:23:43 PM »

Game reform for the sake of game reform, while interesting, may inevitably lead to more harm than good. This seems like it will be a) underutilized and b) a source of confusion.

Very much agreed. This is something I've said in the past; ie, we do not need to break what works well for the sake of reform. I think most of the regional elections were close contests, and because of that, the argument that they are all uninteresting is simply grasping for straws. Sure, the Southeast and Pacific were not contests, but you can't expect 100% of the elections to be nail biters.
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2010, 06:25:18 PM »

I'll be moving this to a final vote shortly if nobody objects. It seems that everyone has a set opinion of the bill and there's not really any room for compromise.
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 05:14:56 PM »

Senators, there is now a final vote on this bill. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2010, 05:15:50 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 05:40:12 PM »

Aye

(why the hell not?)
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2010, 05:58:28 PM »

Aye

If anything, we should let the people decide on this. If some people were really regionalists, they would leave it to the regions to decide whether they want it or not, not the federal government. Personally, I'm voting for this not only because of that, but because I think this would put a positive impact on the game that would make regional senate elections more exciting and dramatic than they currently are.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2010, 06:03:12 PM »

Aye
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2010, 01:19:42 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2010, 02:25:19 PM »

nay
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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2010, 02:26:35 PM »

Nay
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2010, 01:06:30 AM »


Fake regionalist. It's becoming more and more clear regional rights is a brand name, and not a genuine ideology, as you only seem to support the "rights" of the regions that you like.
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