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« on: April 16, 2010, 01:40:23 pm »
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Obama has created some new rights for our citizens, but did George Bush do any of this?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 01:44:54 pm »
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     What is the point of this, if I may ask?
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 01:48:40 pm »
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Rights aren't supposed to be created, they're already there, the government's role is to protect them.  Obama hasn't created any new rights either.  All he's done is extend the power of the federal government in regulating hospitals, the vast majority of whom already allow gays to visit each other.  It's just ludicrous to suggest that gays were an oppressed minority until Obama came in.

1) Gays now have visitation rights.
2) Citizens now have the right to healthcare without having to worry about pre-existing conditions.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 01:51:40 pm »
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"Rights" don't exist in the first; only freedoms. Obama created no new rights, but simply enforced the liberty of gay couples to visit one another.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2010, 01:51:43 pm »
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 02:02:41 pm »
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Hahah, you libertarians are silly. Rights are created and destroyed by whoever has the most guns, whether it is the state or some warlord.
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 02:06:45 pm »
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".

Rights aren't "enforced".
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".

Rights aren't "enforced".

if rights are not enforced than how can they be protected from infringement.
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metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 02:21:58 pm »
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".

Rights aren't "enforced".

if rights are not enforced than how can they be protected from infringement.

Because they exist.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2010, 02:28:42 pm »
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".

Rights aren't "enforced".

if rights are not enforced than how can they be protected from infringement.

Because they exist.

can you prove their existence?
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2010, 03:54:25 pm »
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"Rights" don't exist in the first; only freedoms. Obama created no new rights, but simply enforced the liberty of gay couples to visit one another.

     I think that this is important to bring up, since the use of the term rights causes some conflict with other conceptions of rights, though I would hold that "natural rights" are merely actions that an individual is at liberty to perform. Many talk about a right to freedom of expression, but really that is an acknowledgement of the fact that one owns his/her own body & is free to say or think what s/he likes. I would also hold that a just government would not seek to infringe on that liberty for any reason, unless it came into direct conflict with another liberty.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2010, 04:03:34 pm »
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please Fix the Capitalisation. now.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 05:03:28 pm »
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I guess Progressives ( believing rights to be created by government rather than "self-evident" and "inalienable") would consider the Americans with Disabilities Act to be creating new rights. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 05:16:50 pm »
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The right to die in Iraq was a right not previously possessed by Americans for twelve long years.  Bush rectified that.
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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 05:18:25 pm »
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The right to die in Iraq was a right not previously possessed by Americans for twelve long years.  Bush rectified that.

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The right to die in Iraq was a right not previously possessed by Americans for twelve long years.  Bush rectified that.
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2010, 05:19:17 pm »
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He gave us the right to unilaterally attack another country without international support.
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Rights can be neither created nor destroyed.

I'll assume what you said is true, despite the fact that it can neither proven or disproved. Thus I shall ask you "what if some rights are enforced while others are not?".

Rights aren't "enforced".

Please tell this to 1950s and 1960s civil right activist in the South or go back to school.
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2010, 09:51:29 pm »
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The right to be spied on without a warrant. And Obama completely supports this right.

And now Obama has given insurance companies the right to require all Americans to purchase their products. Both Bush and Obama gave certain corporations the right to be bailed out by the government if they are unable to compete in the market place on their own.
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2010, 04:38:20 pm »
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He gave us the right to unilaterally attack another country without international support.

about time america reclaimed that right.
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metaphysical principles relied on deductive logic, just like isolationism,non-intervention, and the common good do today. More importantly however is that various individuals make the mistake of using them for a golden axiom, despite the fact they have no inherent quality.-John Hoffman

people who claim to be critical thinkers without imposing a simple form of inquiry tend to be pseudoskeptics.-John hoffman

to kill an argument...focus on its structure, and assumptions.- john Hoffman.
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