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« on: October 28, 2004, 04:55:38 pm »
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Article here with pictures:

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1

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A 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew in Iraq shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein was in the area where tons of explosives disappeared, and may have videotaped some of those weapons.

The missing explosives are now an issue in the presidential debate. Democratic candidate John Kerry is accusing President Bush of not securing the site they allegedly disappeared from. President Bush says no one knows if the ammunition was taken before or after the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003 when coalition troops moved in to the area.

Using GPS technology and talking with members of the 101st Airborne Division, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has determined the crew embedded with the troops may have been on the southern edge of the Al Qaqaa installation, where the ammunition disappeared. The news crew was based just south of Al Qaqaa, and drove two or three miles north of there with soldiers on April 18, 2003.

During that trip, members of the 101st Airborne Division showed the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS news crew bunker after bunker of material labelled "explosives." Usually it took just the snap of a bolt cutter to get into the bunkers and see the material identified by the 101st as detonation cords.

"We can stick it in those and make some good bombs." a soldier told our crew.


 

 

Soldiers who took a 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew into bunkers on April 18 said some of the boxes uncovered contained proximity fuses.
 
There were what appeared to be fuses for bombs. They also found bags of material men from the 101st couldn't identify, but box after box was clearly marked "explosive."

In one bunker, there were boxes marked with the name "Al Qaqaa", the munitions plant where tons of explosives allegedly went missing.

Once the doors to the bunkers were opened, they weren't secured. They were left open when the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew and the military went back to their base.

"We weren't quite sure what were looking at, but we saw so much of it and it didn't appear that this was being secured in any way," said photojournalist Joe Caffrey. "It was several miles away from where military people were staying in their tents".

Officers with the 101st Airborne told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the bunkers were within the U.S. military perimeter and protected. But Caffrey and former 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS Reporter Dean Staley, who spent three months together in Iraq, said Iraqis were coming and going freely.

"At one point there was a group of Iraqis driving around in a pick-up truck,"Staley said. "Three or four guys we kept an eye on, worried they might come near us."


On Wednesday, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS e-mailed still images of the footage taken at the site to experts in Washington to see if the items captured on tape are the same kind of high explosives that went missing in Al Qaqaa. Those experts could not make that determination.

The footage is now in the hands of security experts to see if it is indeed the explosives in question.




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http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3741.html?cat=1

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It being removed:



Updated again thanks to ABC:

IAEA warned US about site:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=206262

and the jackpot from former weapons inspectors:

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Experts who have studied the images say the barrels on the tape contain the high explosive HMX, and the U.N. markings on the barrels are clear.

"I talked to a former inspector who's a colleague of mine, and he confirmed that, indeed, these pictures look just like what he remembers seeing inside those bunkers," said David Albright, president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=206847

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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2004, 04:59:12 pm »
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You really need to learn to read the entire story.

Here is the final paragraph:

"On Wednesday, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS e-mailed still images of the footage taken at the site to experts in Washington to see if the items captured on tape are the same kind of high explosives that went missing in Al Qaqaa. Those experts could not make that determination. .

Your bust just went bust!
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2004, 05:00:26 pm »
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You really need to learn to read the entire story.

Here is the final paragraph:

"On Wednesday, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS e-mailed still images of the footage taken at the site to experts in Washington to see if the items captured on tape are the same kind of high explosives that went missing in Al Qaqaa. Those experts could not make that determination. .



Your bust just went bust!


There's proof that we left explosives unsecured in that area. WTF more do you want?
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There's proof that we left explosives unsecured in that area. WTF more do you want?

Obviously for you give intelligent and honest answers, but that's asking too much.  You did ask.

There were a huge amounts of explosives and other weapons in the country.  The 360 tons was less that 0.1% of all that has been recovered.  All of it cannot be secured, which is an accurate statement about the aftermath of any.

The more you post on this the more it show your lack of comprehesion of how much material the US is dealing with.
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There's proof that we left explosives unsecured in that area. WTF more do you want?

Obviously for you give intelligent and honest answers, but that's asking too much. You did ask.

There were a huge amounts of explosives and other weapons in the country. The 360 tons was less that 0.1% of all that has been recovered. All of it cannot be secured, which is an accurate statement about the aftermath of any.

The more you post on this the more it show your lack of comprehesion of how much material the US is dealing with.

These are explosives that the IAEA has been monitoring.

The 360 tons were high power explosives, less than 1 pound of the same stuff took down Pan Am Flight 103.

We left the explosives that this story is reporting on unsecured, and now they are gone. Do you seem a problem with that?
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These are explosives that the IAEA has been monitoring.

The 360 tons were high power explosives, less than 1 pound of the same stuff took down Pan Am Flight 103.

We left the explosives that this story is reporting on unsecured, and now they are gone. Do you seem a problem with that?

Well, first of all, I'd like to it these were the same seals that were on the buildings housing, at one point, the explosives.  Second, I'd like to know if later, after the invasion, these are not pictures of the troops breaking the seals to destoy the explosives.  Third, I'd like to know if this was the only way into or out of the building.

A photo of seal really doesn't say very much.
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These are explosives that the IAEA has been monitoring.

The 360 tons were high power explosives, less than 1 pound of the same stuff took down Pan Am Flight 103.

We left the explosives that this story is reporting on unsecured, and now they are gone. Do you seem a problem with that?

Well, first of all, I'd like to it these were the same seals that were on the buildings housing, at one point, the explosives. Second, I'd like to know if later, after the invasion, these are not pictures of the troops breaking the seals to destoy the explosives. Third, I'd like to know if this was the only way into or out of the building.

A photo of seal really doesn't say very much.

Yes, The seals were on the buildings.
The troops broke the seals, and then left the explosives unsecured.
I'd assume that was the only entrance.
You might consider watching the video.
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2004, 05:33:10 pm »
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Here is what the story really says:

A 5 Eyewitness News crew in Iraq may have been just a door away from materials that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. The evidence is in videotape shot by Reporter Dean Staley and Photographer Joe Caffrey at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility.

The video shows a cable locking a door shut. That cable is connected by a copper colored seal.

A spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Agency told 5 Eyewitness News that seal appears to be one used by their inspectors. "In Iraq they were used when there was a concern that this could have a, what we call, dual use purpose, that there could be a nuclear weapons application."

5 Eyewitness News continues to develop new leads and uncover new developments in this story.


We have no idea what was in there and if this was being removed.
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Here is what the story really says:

A 5 Eyewitness News crew in Iraq may have been just a door away from materials that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons. The evidence is in videotape shot by Reporter Dean Staley and Photographer Joe Caffrey at or near the Al Qaqaa munitions facility.

The video shows a cable locking a door shut. That cable is connected by a copper colored seal.

A spokesperson for the International Atomic Energy Agency told 5 Eyewitness News that seal appears to be one used by their inspectors. "In Iraq they were used when there was a concern that this could have a, what we call, dual use purpose, that there could be a nuclear weapons application."

5 Eyewitness News continues to develop new leads and uncover new developments in this story.


We have no idea what was in there and if this was being removed.


Did you see the 2nd article?
The first acticle verifies that explosives were left unsecured by US troops at the site.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2004, 05:35:42 pm »
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lmao. Why does this matter?
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lmao. Why does this matter?

Anti-American forces with lots of IAEA monitored explosives. Who cares? LOL!!!!!!!!
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lmao. Why does this matter?

Anti-American forces with lots of IAEA monitored explosives. Who cares? LOL!!!!!!!!

Oh, I get it. You're saying Saddam Hussein was a threat to our national security.
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lmao. Why does this matter?

Anti-American forces with lots of IAEA monitored explosives. Who cares? LOL!!!!!!!!

Oh, I get it. You're saying Saddam Hussein was a threat to our national security.

Saddam wasn't a threat to us as long as we didn't have troops in Iraq.
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lmao. Why does this matter?

Anti-American forces with lots of IAEA monitored explosives. Who cares? LOL!!!!!!!!

Oh, I get it. You're saying Saddam Hussein was a threat to our national security.

Saddam wasn't a threat to us as long as we didn't have troops in Iraq.


Saddam could have passed these weapons on to terrorists anytime he wanted.

What the hell does this have to do with Bush? You're basically b*tching at the troops.
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Huh, interesting tape.  It said that the bunker was within the US Army parameter and the explosives "may or may not" be the ones in question.  That reall definitive Jfool

I don't want accuse you being a troll, but clearly your ability to understand English is in question.
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lmao. Why does this matter?

Anti-American forces with lots of IAEA monitored explosives. Who cares? LOL!!!!!!!!

Oh, I get it. You're saying Saddam Hussein was a threat to our national security.

Saddam wasn't a threat to us as long as we didn't have troops in Iraq.


Saddam could have passed these weapons on to terrorists anytime he wanted.

What the hell does this have to do with Bush? You're basically b*tching at the troops.

They weren't given orders to secure the site. I blame the higher ups, not the rank and file.
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Presidents don't micromanage military operations. The idea that Bush is responsible for this is absolute idiocy.
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2004, 05:57:20 pm »
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Interestingly, the tape was made on April 18. The site was ininspected, and found looted, on May 8, 20 days.

Now, forgetting for a moment that the bunkers were within US bases, that give the looters 20 days to loot 360 tons of explosives and drive it past or through a brigade of Airborne and down a road filled with US Army vehicles! That is absolutely brilliant jfool.
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Interestingly, the tape was made on April 18. The site was ininspected, and found looted, on May 8, 20 days.

Now, forgetting for a moment that the bunkers were within US bases, that give the looters 20 days to loot 360 tons of explosives and drive it past or through a brigade of Airborne and down a road filled with US Army vehicles! That is absolutely brilliant jfool.

HMX was seen there April 18th.
A typcal frieght canister could have held most of it.
380 tons is only 10 meters by 10 meters by 20 meters.
They only had to move 20 tons a day, or regular truckload.
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They weren't given orders to secure the site. I blame the higher ups, not the rank and file.

Perhaps, in the case shown on the videotape, because it was in the perimeter of the US Forces?
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If jfern tripped and fell, he would blame it on George Bush.
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They weren't given orders to secure the site. I blame the higher ups, not the rank and file.

Perhaps, in the case shown on the videotape, because it was in the perimeter of the US Forces?

What?
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If you didn't understand, it's probably because of George Bush
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HMX was seen there April 18th.
A typcal frieght canister could have held most of it.
380 tons is only 10 meters by 10 meters by 20 meters.
They only had to move 20 tons a day, or regular truckload.

First the estimate is that it would be 40 truckloads to move 360 tons or 9 tons per truckload; this once again proves that jfool cannot do math. Second, the news story is quite clear that they didn't know what it is. Third, you still have the problem of trying drive past or though a brigade of Airborne onto a road crowded with Army vechicles.
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HMX was seen there April 18th.
A typcal frieght canister could have held most of it.
380 tons is only 10 meters by 10 meters by 20 meters.
They only had to move 20 tons a day, or regular truckload.

First the estimate is that it would be 40 truckloads to move 360 tons or 9 tons per truckload; this once again proves that jfool cannot do math. Second, the news story is quite clear that they didn't know what it is. Third, you still have the problem of trying drive past or though a brigade of Airborne onto a road crowded with Army vechicles.

It just proves you're using smaller trucks. Yawn.
The weapons inspectors say that it was HMX. You might want to read the updated part. It's over for Bush.
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