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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2010, 11:48:10 pm »
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Removing them was more humane then allowing them to continually get in conflict with Europeans.

By that standard, it would be more humane to remove the Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza than allowing then to continually get in conflict with Israelis.

I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2010, 11:49:16 pm »
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No - I don't think anybody should be removed from money - no real reason - I'm just a stubborn person who hates change.
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2010, 06:24:24 am »
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No - I don't think anybody should be removed from money - no real reason - I'm just a stubborn person who hates change.

If you hate change, then why do you care about who is pictured on it?
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2010, 03:08:17 pm »
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does anyone even know why we have FDR on the dime in the first place?
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2010, 07:25:32 pm »
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does anyone even know why we have FDR on the dime in the first place?

Yes, because of the March of Dimes, as was said earlier.
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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2010, 08:13:35 pm »
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Only as part of a complete redesign of the coinage that removes all presidents and politicians.  Given the small size of the coin, I'd favor a design for the dime that had the Liberty Bell on the obverse and a ring of 13 stars on the reverse surrounding the denomination.

As a sometimes coin collector (I only do it occasionally since it's so expensive), I totally agree with this. The current designs on our coins are far inferior to some of the "classic" designs. I love the designs on coins like the flying eagle cent, the shield nickel, the two-cent piece, and the standing liberty quarter to name a few. I'd love to go back to designs like those.
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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2010, 10:35:34 pm »
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lol lol

Roosevelt put the Japanese in internment camps, but I guess that doesn't count because he's a Democrat.
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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2010, 10:48:48 pm »
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Roosevelt put the Japanese in internment camps, but I guess that doesn't count because he's a Democrat.

1. internment camps are not Genocide.

2. Jackson is a Democrat too.
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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2010, 11:20:25 pm »
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lol lol

Roosevelt put the Japanese in internment camps, but I guess that doesn't count because he's a Democrat.

1. internment camps are not Genocide.

2. Jackson is a Democrat too.

A Democrat back then is nothing like a Democrat now. They only share a name.
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2010, 12:31:55 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2010, 01:21:49 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Japanese, no, but if you include everyone held under the WRA, it shakes out to roughly 2,000.



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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2010, 01:24:24 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Thousands of Japanese were deprived of their freedom.
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2010, 01:45:58 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Thousands of Japanese were deprived of their freedom.

Not to the degree that the Cherokee were. The comparison is ridiculous.

Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Japanese, no, but if you include everyone held under the WRA, it shakes out to roughly 2,000.



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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2010, 03:13:58 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Japanese, no, but if you include everyone held under the WRA, it shakes out to roughly 2,000.



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cite?

Hmm, it was hard to find an online source, but this website references Japanese Americans: From Relocation to Redress.

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In all, 120,313 people were under WRA control. 90,491 were transfered from assembly centers; 17,491 were taken directly from their homes; 5918 were born to imprisoned parents; 1735 were transferred from INS internment camps; 1579 were moved here after being sent from assembly centers to work crops; 1275 were transfered from penal and medial institutions; 1118 were taken from Hawaii; and 219, mostly non-Japanese spouses, entered voluntarily.7

Of these 120,313: 54,127 returned to the West Coast after their incarceration; 52,798 relocated to the interior; 4724 moved (or were moved) to Japan; 3121 were sent to INS internment camps; 2355 joined the armed forces; 1862 died during imprisonment; 1322 were sent to institutions; and 4 were classified as "unauthorized departures."7

I went ahead and bolded the relevant part.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2010, 08:56:56 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Thousands of Japanese were deprived of their freedom.

Not to the degree that the Cherokee were. The comparison is ridiculous.



The Cherokee were a hostile enemy force to the United States. They did not have equal rights to the people they were killing. Just because the Cherokee and other tribes were lesser equipped doesn't mean that we should have any more sympathy for them. I'm sorry but I'm sick of hearing this "native Americans were victims" crap. Were their legitimate crimes committed by both Indians and Europeans? Yes. Was the entire Indian removal a crime? No. Indians murdered white families just as much as American armies did. It was not the best time in history but war crimes happened on both sides. Removing the Indians to the west was preferable over continuous warfare. I'm not saying their were injustices but to condemn people who are long dead over reacting to something where their were few other options is just silly, sorry.

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2010, 10:23:41 am »
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Did thousands of Japanese die in those internment camps?

Thousands of Japanese were deprived of their freedom.

Not to the degree that the Cherokee were. The comparison is ridiculous.

Agreed, though probably not for the same reason you think it's ridiculous.

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2010, 11:35:07 am »
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In all, 120,313 people were under WRA control. 90,491 were transfered from assembly centers; 17,491 were taken directly from their homes; 5918 were born to imprisoned parents; 1735 were transferred from INS internment camps; 1579 were moved here after being sent from assembly centers to work crops; 1275 were transfered from penal and medial institutions; 1118 were taken from Hawaii; and 219, mostly non-Japanese spouses, entered voluntarily.7

Of these 120,313: 54,127 returned to the West Coast after their incarceration; 52,798 relocated to the interior; 4724 moved (or were moved) to Japan; 3121 were sent to INS internment camps; 2355 joined the armed forces; 1862 died during imprisonment; 1322 were sent to institutions; and 4 were classified as "unauthorized departures."7

First off, let me make it clear that I believe the Japanese internment was a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. However, though the conditions were bad for the Japanese they weren't bad enough to outright cause the deaths of people. I believe you're misleading the statistics a bit here.

1862 deaths out of a population of 120,313, over the four years the Japanese were interred, is a crude death rate of 16.15 per year; about equal to the United States at the time (not counting the war deaths o/c).

So yes, while the Japanese were horribly mistreated by being put into camps, there's really no evidence that the government's actions led to anyone's deaths (though it was still a horrible horrible policy).
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In all, 120,313 people were under WRA control. 90,491 were transfered from assembly centers; 17,491 were taken directly from their homes; 5918 were born to imprisoned parents; 1735 were transferred from INS internment camps; 1579 were moved here after being sent from assembly centers to work crops; 1275 were transfered from penal and medial institutions; 1118 were taken from Hawaii; and 219, mostly non-Japanese spouses, entered voluntarily.7

Of these 120,313: 54,127 returned to the West Coast after their incarceration; 52,798 relocated to the interior; 4724 moved (or were moved) to Japan; 3121 were sent to INS internment camps; 2355 joined the armed forces; 1862 died during imprisonment; 1322 were sent to institutions; and 4 were classified as "unauthorized departures."7

First off, let me make it clear that I believe the Japanese internment was a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. However, though the conditions were bad for the Japanese they weren't bad enough to outright cause the deaths of people. I believe you're misleading the statistics a bit here.

1862 deaths out of a population of 120,313, over the four years the Japanese were interred, is a crude death rate of 16.15 per year; about equal to the United States at the time (not counting the war deaths o/c).

So yes, while the Japanese were horribly mistreated by being put into camps, there's really no evidence that the government's actions led to anyone's deaths (though it was still a horrible horrible policy).

Yes but those citizens lost property which was never given back to them after the war. BTW, the Americans of Japanese descent weren't the only Americans persecuted during the first and second world war. My great grandparents had to wear arm bands identifying them as Austrians during the first world war. My g-grandfather was also investigated by the US govt for being a spy (as were many citizens), he was cleared though.
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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2010, 12:37:54 pm »
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No, FDR has a unique link to the dime and should remain on it. I may not believe in everything FDR stood for, but he should stay.
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In all, 120,313 people were under WRA control. 90,491 were transfered from assembly centers; 17,491 were taken directly from their homes; 5918 were born to imprisoned parents; 1735 were transferred from INS internment camps; 1579 were moved here after being sent from assembly centers to work crops; 1275 were transfered from penal and medial institutions; 1118 were taken from Hawaii; and 219, mostly non-Japanese spouses, entered voluntarily.7

Of these 120,313: 54,127 returned to the West Coast after their incarceration; 52,798 relocated to the interior; 4724 moved (or were moved) to Japan; 3121 were sent to INS internment camps; 2355 joined the armed forces; 1862 died during imprisonment; 1322 were sent to institutions; and 4 were classified as "unauthorized departures."7

First off, let me make it clear that I believe the Japanese internment was a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. However, though the conditions were bad for the Japanese they weren't bad enough to outright cause the deaths of people. I believe you're misleading the statistics a bit here.

1862 deaths out of a population of 120,313, over the four years the Japanese were interred, is a crude death rate of 16.15 per year; about equal to the United States at the time (not counting the war deaths o/c).

So yes, while the Japanese were horribly mistreated by being put into camps, there's really no evidence that the government's actions led to anyone's deaths (though it was still a horrible horrible policy).

I don't disagree with that.

Like I said above, I'm not making an argument for or against anything, and I'm certainly not trying to equate Japanese internment with the Trail of Tears, or the Holocaust, or whatever.  Lief asked if "thousands of Japanese died in those internment camps." Unless you want to quibble over 'thousands,' the answer is yes. 

How am I misusing the statistic?
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In all, 120,313 people were under WRA control. 90,491 were transfered from assembly centers; 17,491 were taken directly from their homes; 5918 were born to imprisoned parents; 1735 were transferred from INS internment camps; 1579 were moved here after being sent from assembly centers to work crops; 1275 were transfered from penal and medial institutions; 1118 were taken from Hawaii; and 219, mostly non-Japanese spouses, entered voluntarily.7

Of these 120,313: 54,127 returned to the West Coast after their incarceration; 52,798 relocated to the interior; 4724 moved (or were moved) to Japan; 3121 were sent to INS internment camps; 2355 joined the armed forces; 1862 died during imprisonment; 1322 were sent to institutions; and 4 were classified as "unauthorized departures."7

First off, let me make it clear that I believe the Japanese internment was a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. However, though the conditions were bad for the Japanese they weren't bad enough to outright cause the deaths of people. I believe you're misleading the statistics a bit here.

1862 deaths out of a population of 120,313, over the four years the Japanese were interred, is a crude death rate of 16.15 per year; about equal to the United States at the time (not counting the war deaths o/c).

So yes, while the Japanese were horribly mistreated by being put into camps, there's really no evidence that the government's actions led to anyone's deaths (though it was still a horrible horrible policy).

More US citizens of Japanese ancestry died in Hiroshima. BTW, Rep. Doris Matsui was born in a camp.
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2010, 11:15:22 pm »
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I'd say he belongs on the dime.

I'd argue Jackson should be pulled off, not because of the Indian stuff (which was horrible, don't get me wrong), but because he caused a huge economic collapse almost entirely on his own.  I don't think those who destroy the Treasury should be on money.

Also, there's irony in that Jackson hated the national bank, but that the Federal Reserve is essentially a national bank, and they issue the notes...
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« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2010, 04:00:36 pm »
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Altho, if Jackson is to be on any denomination, the $20 bill is the one he should be on, as one of the stands he took during the Bank War was that there should be no bill smaller than a $20 bill.  At the time, the highest value coin minted by the U.S. was the gold Eagle with a face value of $10. In other words, he was against the use of paper money when specie coins could in theory do the job.
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