In a shocking twist, Hispanics now really hate Jan Brewer

[Meeker]

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/goddard-leads-in-arizona.html

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[Sam Spade]

You might also find it amusing that Arpaio performs 10 points better among Hispanics than Brewer and two points worse among white voters. 

[CARLHAYDEN]

You might also find it amusing that Arpaio performs 10 points better among Hispanics than Brewer and two points worse among white voters. 

What isn't understood by the amnesty and open borders fanatics is that hispanics legally residing in Maricopa county (and the rest of Arizona) are often understandably fearful of the illegals in the state as they bring crime waves (drugs, kidnapping, etc.) and increase the cost of government services.

[Bo]

At least she gets more support among Republicans.

[Franzl]

At least she gets more support among Republicans.

Do you think that might have to do with the fact that she is a member of the Republican Party?

[Verily]

At least she gets more support among Republicans.

Do you think that might have to do with the fact that she is a member of the Republican Party?

That couldn't be it. I suspect it has to do with her stance on expansion of charter schools.

[Vepres]

When Republicans talked of death panels and rationing it was fear-mongering, yet Democrats saying Hispanics will be constantly harassed by police like in a fascist state isn't?

Expect independents to continue to move towards Brewer.

[Хahar 🤔]

When Republicans talked of death panels and rationing it was fear-mongering, yet Democrats saying Hispanics will be constantly harassed by police like in a fascist state isn't?

Correct. Good job.

[justW353]

When Republicans talked of death panels and rationing it was fear-mongering, yet Democrats saying Hispanics will be constantly harassed by police like in a fascist state isn't?

Expect independents to continue to move towards Brewer.

I know it's rhetorical, but it's a true statement.

The state senators can't even deny the bill won't cause racial profiling.  All I know is that Obama and the Democrats have a huge opportunity here.

[Lief 🗽]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

[CultureKing]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

Could this lead to a large change in Arizona politics? Perhaps forcing Hispanics towards the democrats in even greater number? Personally I think this law is important because it effects not only immigrants but Latino US citizens as well because of the racial profiling that could result.

By the way did the Republicans actually see this as being a smart political move??

[Franzl]

When Republicans talked of death panels and rationing it was fear-mongering, yet Democrats saying Hispanics will be constantly harassed by police like in a fascist state isn't?

Expect independents to continue to move towards Brewer.

Believe it or not....some things are objectively correct, and some things aren't. Always standing in the middle saying both extremes are wrong is a logical fallacy (although in certain cases not necessarily the wrong conclusion).

And that's not to say that they'll "constantly be harassed like in a fascist state", but it is rather foolish to deny that this definitely will mean racial profiling.

[cinyc]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

Could this lead to a large change in Arizona politics? Perhaps forcing Hispanics towards the democrats in even greater number? Personally I think this law is important because it effects not only immigrants but Latino US citizens as well because of the racial profiling that could result.

By the way did the Republicans actually see this as being a smart political move??

"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of
alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him
pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to
comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to
exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

RACIST LAW!  Your papers, please!  Boycott the USA!!!! 

[cinyc]

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state shows that 56% now approve of the way Brewer is performing her role as governor. Two weeks ago, just 40% offered their approval.

The new figure includes 22% who Strongly Approve of the governor’s performance. That’s up from five percent (5%) before Brewer signed the law that authorizes local police to stop and verify the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant.

The bounce in the polls is also evident in new numbers on the November election. If Brewer is the Republican nominee, she would get 48% of the vote while her likely Democratic opponent, State Attorney General Terry Goddard, would attract 40%. Two weeks ago, it was Brewer 44% and Goddard 40%. Goddard is an outspoken opponent of the new law.

While most Arizona voters favor a welcoming immigration policy, 64% support the new immigration law.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/arizona/election_2010_arizona_governor

Brewer is a terrible politician, signing bills that 64% of Arizonan voters support.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That's why I won't be sad if unemployment hits 25% in Arizona.

[Holmes]

Why does public support and more than annoying sarcasm justify everything?

[Badger]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

Could this lead to a large change in Arizona politics? Perhaps forcing Hispanics towards the democrats in even greater number? Personally I think this law is important because it effects not only immigrants but Latino US citizens as well because of the racial profiling that could result.

By the way did the Republicans actually see this as being a smart political move??

"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of
alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him
pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to
comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to
exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

RACIST LAW!  Your papers, please!  Boycott the USA!!!! 

Actually Cinyc, that portion of the law DOES suck. And hard. This section deals with aliens who are here legally, often for years. Now they need to keep their green card on them at all times or risk jail. Forget them one time on your way to the grocery store? Too bad. You're off to to Arpaio's tent city for a month because, yes Cynic, someone ordered "Your papers, please!"

Not much of a burden? How would we react to a law requiring every citizen to keep a copy of their birth certificate on them at all times or face imprisonment? The fact that legal aliens are here at the government's sufferance rather than citizens hardly justifies such an onerous intrusive measure.

Above all, what does provision have to do with fighting illegal immigration? This does nothing more than penalize those persons here LEGALLY for God's sake! All this accomplishes is to make legal immigrants more marginalized and made to feel unwelcome in Arizona.

Or is that the idea? As far as any racist sentiment behind this law I'll only say this: If most illegal immigrants were coming from north of the border in Canada, this law wouldn't get passed anywhere.

[Хahar 🤔]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

Could this lead to a large change in Arizona politics? Perhaps forcing Hispanics towards the democrats in even greater number? Personally I think this law is important because it effects not only immigrants but Latino US citizens as well because of the racial profiling that could result.

By the way did the Republicans actually see this as being a smart political move??

"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of
alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him
pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to
comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to
exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

RACIST LAW!  Your papers, please!  Boycott the USA!!!! 

Pass Laws Act 1952

[Sbane]

Arizona Hispanics used to be the most Republican in the country. After the Republicans legalized racial profiling, that probably will no longer be the case.

Hopefully Texas Republicans follow suit!

Could this lead to a large change in Arizona politics? Perhaps forcing Hispanics towards the democrats in even greater number? Personally I think this law is important because it effects not only immigrants but Latino US citizens as well because of the racial profiling that could result.

By the way did the Republicans actually see this as being a smart political move??

"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of
alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him
pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to
comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a
misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to
exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

RACIST LAW!  Your papers, please!  Boycott the USA!!!! 

Actually Cinyc, that portion of the law DOES suck. And hard. This section deals with aliens who are here legally, often for years. Now they need to keep their green card on them at all times or risk jail. Forget them one time on your way to the grocery store? Too bad. You're off to to Arpaio's tent city for a month because, yes Cynic, someone ordered "Your papers, please!"

Not much of a burden? How would we react to a law requiring every citizen to keep a copy of their birth certificate on them at all times or face imprisonment? The fact that legal aliens are here at the government's sufferance rather than citizens hardly justifies such an onerous intrusive measure.

Above all, what does provision have to do with fighting illegal immigration? This does nothing more than penalize those persons here LEGALLY for God's sake! All this accomplishes is to make legal immigrants more marginalized and made to feel unwelcome in Arizona.

Or is that the idea? As far as any racist sentiment behind this law I'll only say this: If most illegal immigrants were coming from north of the border in Canada, this law wouldn't get passed anywhere.

The requirement that all legal residents have their green card with them at all times is just ridiculous. And of course if you are an immigrant from Britain you don't really have to worry about it that much but if you are from Honduras.... And then Republicans wonder why minorities are hesitant to vote for them.

I am glad that the law is being narrowed to define just under what circumstances a cop can ask for a person's papers. But this still means that legal residents are now going to have to keep their green cards at all times they get in a car or they go to jail. You don't even go to jail if you forget your license while driving. Not even a fine if you show it to them later on.

[Linus Van Pelt]

It's worth noting that despite the stereotypical idea of a single kind of thing called a "green card", in fact there are various different documents you can have depending on your immigration status, and not all of them are cards that can fit in a wallet at all. My proof of status is three 8 1/2 by 11 pages stapled together; it would be ridiculous to carry this around at all times even though federal law, strictly speaking, requires it.

Speaking as (I believe) the only legal foreigner in the US on the forum (albeit a distinctly non-Mexican-looking one), I find a lot of the philosophical objections to this a bit misguided - we already have to be able to produce proof of status when asked; and in my experience from a minor traffic incident, state police will ask you about this if you produce a non-US driver's licence. But the practicalities are nuts - getting arrested and detained instead of just having to produce it within 24 hours is totally unreasonable, given what these documents are like.

It also seems to me that if you actually enforce this enough that Mexicans in the US really do carry their documents around even when just going walking, it gets a lot easier to rob them of it, which (a) puts them in a tight spot, having to prove their legal status to police who are bound to arrest them if they find immigrants without documents! and (b) gets a shiny genuine-article US visa in the hands of the coyotes.

[Badger]

It also seems to me that if you actually enforce this enough that Mexicans in the US really do carry their documents around even when just going walking, it gets a lot easier to rob them of it, which (a) puts them in a tight spot, having to prove their legal status to police who are bound to arrest them if they find immigrants without documents! and (b) gets a shiny genuine-article US visa in the hands of the coyotes.

I hadn't even thought of this. Very true.

The shift of the starting point of police investigation from "PC the person is involved in criminal activity" to "Probable Cause the person is an illegal alien" was brought home by an interview with the Tucson Police Chief explaining now officers will have to investigate the citizenship status of crime victims and other witnesses who called for assistance if investigation indicates they may be illegal aliens. This will obviously be a major disincentive for such people to report crimes or cooperate with law enforcement. Which in turn makes them a more tempting target for criminals.....

How many serious crimes will go unsolved because an otherwise cooperative eyewitness won't come forward because now under the new law they seriously risk deportation by doing so?