Gingrich/Thune vs. Obama/Biden

[HappyWarrior]

About like this:

But with Thune at the top:

but I wouldn't see Gingrich at the bottom of any ticket. I'd put him in the cabinet...but he's much better on top, otherwise he overshados the top (unlike Palin with conservative energy) but with this knowledge that would kill Biden in teh debats

Biden is a very intelligent individual and showed it in the VP Debate.

Palin was just an idiot on stage

And it didn't hurt that Biden is an experienced, capable Senator.

[California8429]

About like this:

But with Thune at the top:

but I wouldn't see Gingrich at the bottom of any ticket. I'd put him in the cabinet...but he's much better on top, otherwise he overshados the top (unlike Palin with conservative energy) but with this knowledge that would kill Biden in teh debats

Biden is a very intelligent individual and showed it in the VP Debate.

Palin was just an idiot on stage

And it didn't hurt that Biden is an experienced, capable Senator.

Biden's mouth would catch up to him without Palin on the GOP ticket this time

[HappyWarrior]

About like this:

But with Thune at the top:

but I wouldn't see Gingrich at the bottom of any ticket. I'd put him in the cabinet...but he's much better on top, otherwise he overshados the top (unlike Palin with conservative energy) but with this knowledge that would kill Biden in teh debats

Biden is a very intelligent individual and showed it in the VP Debate.

Palin was just an idiot on stage

And it didn't hurt that Biden is an experienced, capable Senator.

Biden's mouth would catch up to him without Palin on the GOP ticket this time

Gingrich's speech is prone to foot and mouth disease and ignorance as well as his personal life problems would massivly drag him down.

[California8429]

About like this:

But with Thune at the top:

but I wouldn't see Gingrich at the bottom of any ticket. I'd put him in the cabinet...but he's much better on top, otherwise he overshados the top (unlike Palin with conservative energy) but with this knowledge that would kill Biden in teh debats

Biden is a very intelligent individual and showed it in the VP Debate.

Palin was just an idiot on stage

And it didn't hurt that Biden is an experienced, capable Senator.

Biden's mouth would catch up to him without Palin on the GOP ticket this time

Gingrich's speech is prone to foot and mouth disease and ignorance as well as his personal life problems would massivly drag him down.

personal life scandal from decades ago has nothing to do with how he debates. and as for ignorance, I don't see anyone else saying history repeats itself anymore

[Derek]

Gingrich is WAY over qualified for VP. It wouldn't look good. He's best as either president or Secretary of State.

How's he qualified?  Wasn't he just speaker of the house or something?

Anyway its silly to think of him as president.  Thune or Brown's your man - your voters like a good looking Sherrif Dillon nincompoop, not some hideous debauched professor type.

Yes voters like a good looking candidate who speaks well if they are a democrat under the age of 24. Other than that it's about credentials, experience, integrity, and honesty as far as qualities.

[Ronald Reagan]

I dislike Gingrich, but I really like Thune.

[Derek]

What has Thune shown you? I like him too he seems like a family man and very wholesome, but would vote for him based on his advancement of conservatism.

[Ronald Reagan]

What has Thune shown you? I like him too he seems like a family man and very wholesome, but would vote for him based on his advancement of conservatism.

I honestly, just don't know enough about Gingrich. However, when reviewing John Thune's opinions on issues, I found myself very impressed with his hard-core conservative stances.

[Derek]

That's cool, I'll be voting for either one cuz I'm not a socialist or a fascist.

[ragevein]

All your data bass are wrong. 

This is the results:

Gingrish will SLAY Obama in the debate, after Americans realize Gingrish is not too fat (and actually a little attractive in a boyish-impish-Americana-values-sort-of-way), the US citizenry will warm up to Gingrish like Susan Boil.    They will look at Obama, in the next podium, and say to themselves "WTF?!?!?!?!?!  We elected a black muslim with no valid birth certificate?",,,then they will look at Gingrish, warm, American, values, national secuirty strength and charm, not too fat, and think "I really like this guy!  He is so smart! I can see him as Commander of Chief!!"   

After the brutality of debate, Obama pulls out his card:  the race card, and blacks in the South come out in droves to support Obama.  But alas, in the end it will not be enough.  California--alarmngly--is becoming more conservative by the minute--and Gingirsh will sweep the west coast.  No amount of blacks in South states will be enough to take over the Gingrish Juggernot...coupled with the very appealing and arousing Thune, the race is over even before it began.  Obama join Jimmy Carter as the next failed Democrat president, unfortunately.

OBAMA/BIDDEN 212
GINGRISH/THUNE 326

[Mint]

Any pro-bail out ticket like Gingrich/Thune would face a huge third party challenge.

[California8429]

Any pro-bail out ticket like Gingrich/Thune would face a huge third party challenge.

and when Gingrich is on stage to prove that without the 2008 bailout, we would be in economic world wide depression...that third party challenge would end real fast

[Derek]

Any pro-bail out ticket like Gingrich/Thune would face a huge third party challenge.

and that third party would get no GOP votes

[pbrower2a]

What has Thune shown you? I like him too he seems like a family man and very wholesome, but would vote for him based on his advancement of conservatism.

So far President Obama has shown exemplary "family values" in personal life or else has been successful at hiding any deviance.

That said, he never ran on a "family values" campaign and did not exploit the checkered marital history of John McCain. Obama needs not sell many people on liberalism to be successful in winning re-election. GOP-style Conservatism will be a harder sell in 2012 than most conservatives think.

[Derek]

Obama is selling socialism and religious relativism. When he said "sometimes it's not just Christianity, but quotes from other religions that inspire mre throughout the day."

[King]

Newt is too outspoken and off-putting to win in a Presidential campaign.  He'd do well early because he'd ignite the conservative base, but then he'd gradually lose almost all independent support.

[Derek]

Newt is too outspoken and off-putting to win in a Presidential campaign.  He'd do well early because he'd ignite the conservative base, but then he'd gradually lose almost all independent support.

consider unemployment and the war on terror too though

[King]

Newt is too outspoken and off-putting to win in a Presidential campaign.  He'd do well early because he'd ignite the conservative base, but then he'd gradually lose almost all independent support.

consider unemployment and the war on terror too though

What about it?

[Derek]

it would hurt Obama if he's the one in office just like Jimmy Carter

[King]

it would hurt Obama if he's the one in office just like Jimmy Carter

Only if a quality candidate can capitalize on it, like Reagan.  Newt is no Reagan.  Ideologically, they are similar and Newt is experienced and informed, but Reagan was warm and reassuring.  Newt's a downer (i.e. the Bob Dole problem).

Palin can be warm and reassuring, but is an unexperienced gaffe waiting to happen (i.e. the Dan Quayle problem).

If the Republicans are serious about returning the party of Reagan and finding the next Reagan, they need to remember who Reagan really was.

[Derek]

I'm not sure. I think Bush or Dole could've beaten Carter then too. What was his approval rating around election night? Wasn't it around 29%? Either way, Newt does have what it takes as we saw in the 90's and he's better than Bob Dole was after the 1994 victory.

[King]

I'm not sure. I think Bush or Dole could've beaten Carter then too. What was his approval rating around election night? Wasn't it around 29%? Either way, Newt does have what it takes as we saw in the 90's and he's better than Bob Dole was after the 1994 victory.

29% approval and he got 41% of the vote.

Carter was leading in some polls in just a couple of weeks prior to the election.  It didn't break for Reagan until late, mainly because of his rock solid campaign.  I'm not saying Bush or Dole couldn't have done it, but neither was as a good of a candidate as Reagan nor were they as bold in their proposals of change.

Newt's Contract with America was a great campaign, but what does that really mean? Hillary Clinton didn't benefit from the 90s.  Plus, Newt's tenure as speaker was mediocre and that might be more memorable than CwA's campaign prowness.  And even if you make the argument that campaigning skill is more important than the result, can Contract with America really have a major advantage over Hope and Change?

If the climate is anti-Obama, Newt could win.  But the GOP still could and should do a lot better than Newt--or Palin.

[Derek]

Hillary Clinton didn't benefit because not everything her husband did was popular. Obama was great at pointing out how she took credit for the successful economy but defended herself by reminding us that it was her husband and not her in office when regarding foreign policy or other misdemeanors.

As for Carter, maybe 29% was the lowest he got down to and I do know that him and Reagan were back and forth until the last few weeks of the campaign. However, that was with Anderson taking several votes away from Reagan. Also, keep in mind that 29% approval does not mean 29% in the PV. There would have been democrats who thought Carter did a poor job but weren't willing to vote for the other party in a Presidential Election. I am interested to find out Carter's approval rating though in the time of the election. This is a good discussion though!

[King]

Also, keep in mind that 29% approval does not mean 29% in the PV. There would have been democrats who thought Carter did a poor job but weren't willing to vote for the other party in a Presidential Election. I am interested to find out Carter's approval rating though in the time of the election. This is a good discussion though!

Those are called the aforementioned Anderson supporters.

My main point is that if the political climate is easy enough for a guy like Gingrich to win, why settle on him?  Gingrich winning means virtually every non-Paulite has a chance, including guys who are not even in office like Santorum or Sununu.

[Derek]

Do you just think he'd turn off moderates?