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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2010, 10:12:04 am »
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I think one problem is that both candidates are so badly damaged, it will be difficult for either to win.

I know it's a fool's errand to ask, but can you explain to us why Sestak is "damaged"?

Because he's the Democrat.
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« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2010, 01:03:08 pm »
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Good points. Personally, I'm just dreading the possibility that he might be the second coming of Rick Santorum - a Republican who campaigns as a moderate to get elected, then immediately drives off to the far right afterward.

Naw, Toomey isn't like Santorum. He's more conservative.
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2010, 01:09:02 pm »
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I think one problem is that both candidates are so badly damaged, it will be difficult for either to win.

I know it's a fool's errand to ask, but can you explain to us why Sestak is "damaged"?

Specter's negative ads.  A lot of solid Democratic supporters lining up behind Specter; it is not impossible to heal that, but it can leave wounds.
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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2010, 01:46:31 pm »
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I think one problem is that both candidates are so badly damaged, it will be difficult for either to win.

I know it's a fool's errand to ask, but can you explain to us why Sestak is "damaged"?

Specter's negative ads.  A lot of solid Democratic supporters lining up behind Specter; it is not impossible to heal that, but it can leave wounds.

Then I guess that Rand Paul, Trey Grayson, Marco Rubio and Tom Campbell are damaged too and can't win their respective races.
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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2010, 07:26:00 pm »
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A lot of primary attack ads don't really hold much weight in the general anyway... "Tom Campbell, too liberal for California."

Mmhmm.
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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2010, 10:32:25 pm »
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I think one problem is that both candidates are so badly damaged, it will be difficult for either to win.

I know it's a fool's errand to ask, but can you explain to us why Sestak is "damaged"?

Specter's negative ads.  A lot of solid Democratic supporters lining up behind Specter; it is not impossible to heal that, but it can leave wounds.

Then I guess that Rand Paul, Trey Grayson, Marco Rubio and Tom Campbell are damaged too and can't win their respective races.

Do any of them have these close (and volatile) election?
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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2010, 11:49:13 pm »
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I mean, how often do they oppose the White House?  The only state where they dare is Arkansas, where the White House's opinion is decidedly unwelcome on everything but black radio. 

The AFL-CIO has historically been run by boot-licking cowards (like since the 1910s at least), so it's hardly a surprise that they refuse to challenge Obama.
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« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2010, 03:15:42 am »
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I think the leads for the GOP in PA,OH,and IL is due to lack of GOP opposition in the primary more than anything else and the Dems having had to fend off the primary challenger.  The RNC did a very good job of getting the GOP to unite behind one candidate.

I think it will be more likely for the Dems to split the Gov race and Senate race in all three states than the GOP sweeping both offices.


What lead in Ohio??  Fisher has led the last three polls and four of the last five.
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« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2010, 03:19:53 am »
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I think the leads for the GOP in PA,OH,and IL is due to lack of GOP opposition in the primary more than anything else and the Dems having had to fend off the primary challenger.  The RNC did a very good job of getting the GOP to unite behind one candidate.

I think it will be more likely for the Dems to split the Gov race and Senate race in all three states than the GOP sweeping both offices.


What lead in Ohio??  Fisher has led the last three polls and four of the last five.

Come on, just keep telling the Republicans that their 70 seat gain in the House and 10 seat gain in the Senate are inevitable.
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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2010, 08:18:58 am »
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Sestak is now leading by 4% in the tracking poll.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/05/09/sestak_edges_further_ahead_over_specter.html
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« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2010, 04:48:18 pm »
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Speaking of which, when is the primary date?
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« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2010, 04:59:21 pm »
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Speaking of which, when is the primary date?

18th.
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« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2010, 05:11:18 pm »
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I'm hoping Sestak wins the primary.
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« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2010, 10:36:55 pm »
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I'm hoping Sestak wins the primary.

I'm hoping Specter wins, because I want the seat to go Republican.
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« Reply #64 on: May 09, 2010, 11:17:04 pm »
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I'm hoping Sestak wins the primary.

I'm hoping Specter wins, because I want the seat to go Republican.

I'm hoping Sestak wins and still loses the general, just to slap the liberals here in the face Tongue
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« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2010, 11:23:36 pm »
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Well, I want that too. but I really want Specter to lose.
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« Reply #66 on: May 09, 2010, 11:37:35 pm »
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I'm hoping Sestak wins the primary.

I'm hoping Specter wins, because I want the seat to go Republican.

I'm hoping Sestak wins and still loses the general, just to slap the liberals here in the face Tongue

Because Sestak is such a leftie...
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« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2010, 12:16:42 am »
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I'm hoping Sestak wins the primary.

I'm hoping Specter wins, because I want the seat to go Republican.

I'm hoping Sestak wins and still loses the general, just to slap the liberals here in the face Tongue

Because Sestak is such a leftie...

He is actually to the left of Specter.  In terms of biography, he is a great candidate for PA.  In terms of policy, he's to the left of just about any non-Phila PA politician.
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« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2010, 10:20:43 am »
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New Rasmussen poll has Sestak up by 5%
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/pennsylvania/2010_senate_election/election_2010_pennsylvania_democratic_primary_for_senate

The tracking poll also has Sestak up by 5% today.
http://blogs.mcall.com/capitol_ideas/2010/05/sestak-up-by-5.html

I'd love to see a new Quinnipiac poll.
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« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2010, 10:21:46 am »
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LOL at Specter managing to get purged from both parties within a single congressional term.
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« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2010, 10:49:11 am »
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LOL at Specter managing to get purged from both parties within a single congressional term.

Wow. That is true.

Never really happened before. I suppose you got Michael Forbes but he wasn't really "purged" from the GOP and would've been reelected as a Republican. Parker Griffith might have it happen too, but he wasn't targeted by Democrats either.
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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2010, 11:06:58 am »
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What has Sestak been doing that has made him grab all the momentum these past few days? Is it just that ad of Specter as a Republican?
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« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2010, 11:32:06 am »
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What has Sestak been doing that has made him grab all the momentum these past few days? Is it just that ad of Specter as a Republican?

That more than likely has a major part in it. In a place like Pennsylvania, tying a candidate to a man like W. is an effective shot, but it's even more crippling whenever indisputable proof is given of his alliances.
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« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2010, 01:03:12 pm »
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Both Florida and PA have very high Jewish base of voters and they are very independent minded like Lieberman.  I was simply matching who fits best with those independent voters.

I think you mean "old," as those two states are the two oldest states in the country I believe.
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Both Florida and PA have very high old base of voters and they are very old like Specter.  I was simply matching who fits best with those old voters.
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« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2010, 01:35:04 pm »
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Those posts were made almost 7 minutes apart!  HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT?
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