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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: May 03, 2010, 04:58:53 PM »

Depends how you define the term. If you're imposing a very strict definiton, there's only ever been one; Ramsay MacDonald. Arguments can be made for Wilson, Callaghan and Major but - in all cases - there are strong arguments to file them under 'lower middle class' instead. Major's father was a former music-hall performer and failed garden-gnome manufacturer, Callaghan's was a petty officer in the Navy (who died when Callaghan was young plunging his family into poverty), Wilson's was an industrial chemist.
Callaghan was the last to speak with something that could be called a working class accent (and arguably the only one ever to do so in public).
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 08:30:26 AM »

John Major wasn't working class. I agree on Ramsay MacDonald but the others certainly were privileged enough to a point where I can not consider their background to be 'working class'. I am assuming you refer to their background, though, and not pro-working class policies.

Callaghan's background was hardly privileged, even if his class position was confused. It's mildly interesting to note that the reason he became such a strong Labour partisan (and all that led on from that) was a minor reform to service pensions (allowing widows to claim them, or something like that. I forget the details) introduced by the first MacDonald government.
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 12:39:22 PM »

Thatcher was actually born into a local elite; which mattered a lot more back then than it does now, even in somewhere as (relatively) small as Grantham. But yeah, that's still outside the ruling caste.
As for previous exceptions, it depends on how you define the boundaries of things. There's also the problem (especially wrt Wilson) of changing class definitions; at the time he was born he was clearly lower middle class (classic - almost stereotypical - West Riding Nonconformist Radical-Liberal lower middle class at that) but someone of his background now would usually be classed (wrongly, I'd argue) as 'skilled working class'.

Though there was nearly a PM from a very working class background in 1992.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 02:24:42 PM »

Major (and Callaghan and Wilson; not to mention Brown and Thatcher and especially Lloyd George) weren't working class, but they weren't born into a special privileged caste. Unlike Clegg and Cameron and Blair and, well, all the other 20th century prime ministers (unless I'm forgetting someone)
Attlee. I was forgetting Attlee. Though (like Thatcher) near the upper end of the spectrum, obviously.

Have you ever heard footage of him speaking? Absolutely classic early twentieth century upper-lower middle class accent.

You've also forgotten The Death.
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 02:36:36 PM »


It just doesn't seem likely, does it? A bit like Roy Jenkins in that respect.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 08:42:44 PM »

No one's arguing that he was 'Establishment', though...
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