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« Reply #525 on: September 12, 2011, 11:39:53 AM »

Witney, unchanged. Doncaster North's still there. Hallam becomes Sheffield West and Penistone.

Anyone know where I can find blank ward maps, or atleast, usable ward maps?

www.andrewteale.me.uk a good start, ordered by district though so pretty crap for rural areas

google london ward map for a good one of t'smoke, but you'll need something better than paint if you want to get rid of the coulourings
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« Reply #526 on: September 12, 2011, 11:41:40 AM »

For blankness, go to Neighbourhood Statistics (just google it). Then Map Viewer. Then remember how to screenshot.
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« Reply #527 on: September 12, 2011, 11:44:45 AM »

For blankness, go to Neighbourhood Statistics (just google it). Then Map Viewer. Then remember how to screenshot.

I'll get round to updating 'The Map' at some point.
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« Reply #528 on: September 12, 2011, 11:45:42 AM »

For blankness, go to Neighbourhood Statistics (just google it). Then Map Viewer. Then remember how to screenshot.

I'll get round to updating 'The Map' at some point.

You should probably include a warning for our eyes or something. Some of these constituencies are quite, quite special.
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« Reply #529 on: September 12, 2011, 11:51:24 AM »

For blankness, go to Neighbourhood Statistics (just google it). Then Map Viewer. Then remember how to screenshot.

I'll get round to updating 'The Map' at some point.

You should probably include a warning for our eyes or something. Some of these constituencies are quite, quite special.

If it helps that's how 2002 felt to me. To such an extent it made me detached. I only care about the Holyrood arragement and don't particularly care what happens up here next month. You'll probably feel the same with Wales when that monstrosity is unveiled :/
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« Reply #530 on: September 12, 2011, 11:52:50 AM »

If it helps that's how 2002 felt to me. To such an extent it made me detached. I only care about the Holyrood arragement and don't particularly care what happens up here next month. You'll probably feel the same with Wales when that monstrosity is unveiled :/

I'm really dreading what they draw for my part of the world, put it that way... can we rule out the horrible possibility of Anglesey being split?
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« Reply #531 on: September 12, 2011, 11:57:00 AM »
« Edited: September 12, 2011, 12:03:44 PM by afleitch »

If it helps that's how 2002 felt to me. To such an extent it made me detached. I only care about the Holyrood arragement and don't particularly care what happens up here next month. You'll probably feel the same with Wales when that monstrosity is unveiled :/

I'm really dreading what they draw for my part of the world, put it that way... can we rule out the horrible possibility of Anglesey being split?

How dare Anglesey be an island! F-cking glaciers. I can't see the island being split luckily Smiley Just hive a bit of the mainland onto it. I'm looking forward to the Clwyd coast; might get all the oldies in one place.

EDIT; I wonder if they did split Anglesey, the boundary would go right down the middle of the bridge.
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« Reply #532 on: September 12, 2011, 12:14:53 PM »

EDIT; I wonder if they did split Anglesey, the boundary would go right down the middle of the bridge.

Which bridge? There are two, and that's the reason why I'm suddenly quite worried... if you decided that the Menai wasn't a particular important geographical barrier in the grand scheme of things, you could split the Island along the general line of the A55, throwing the southern half (including Holyhead) with wherever Caernarfon ends up and the northern half wherever Bangor happens to be drawn.

An alternative is bad as well: a Menai constituency. That is, the Island... and all the wards on the south bank of the Menai.
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« Reply #533 on: September 12, 2011, 12:35:17 PM »

I've only looked at Yorkshire so far, and not that closely, but it looks quite bad.  They seem to have put too much weight on avoiding ward-splitting and hence gone for some seats that you'd never draw for any other reason, hence the multiple crossings of the West/North Yorks border to cope with the big wards in Leeds.

In South Yorkshire, while I think they ought to be prepared to split wards (and I don't like the new rules anyway), I also think they could have done better even without doing so.  Clegg's new seat (assuming he jumps north rather than south if these are the final proposals) is a case in point.
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« Reply #534 on: September 12, 2011, 12:41:22 PM »

Some horrid seats in east london, including this gem


In Waltham Forest, we noted that the
electorate of the borough is such that it could
be divided into two constituencies. However,
having decided to include Waltham Forest
wards in a cross-River Lee constituency,

we propose to create a Walthamstow
constituency containing ten central Waltham
Forest wards, including one (Hale End and
Highams Park) from the existing Chingford
and Woodford Green constituency and two
(Forest and Leytonstone) from the existing
Leyton and Wanstead constituency. The four
southernmost Waltham Forest wards are
included in a Stratford constituency together
with five wards from the north west of
Newham.


well why did you do it then (although I can't say I disagree with the Stratford constituency, but the north circular is a border, not a link!
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« Reply #535 on: September 12, 2011, 12:50:43 PM »

I wonder how the many cheerleaders for this idiocy are feeling right now.


I've already answered you elsewhere Wink
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« Reply #536 on: September 12, 2011, 12:51:52 PM »



We've got all the way to January to wait for them.....
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« Reply #537 on: September 12, 2011, 12:59:25 PM »

If it helps that's how 2002 felt to me. To such an extent it made me detached. I only care about the Holyrood arragement and don't particularly care what happens up here next month. You'll probably feel the same with Wales when that monstrosity is unveiled :/

I'm really dreading what they draw for my part of the world, put it that way... can we rule out the horrible possibility of Anglesey being split?
"Bangor, East Anglesey & Conwy Valley", "Caernarfon & Holyhead" and "Merionydd, Dwyfor & West Anglesey", coming right up! Cheesy
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« Reply #538 on: September 12, 2011, 01:01:38 PM »
« Edited: September 12, 2011, 01:03:40 PM by Out of many, one »

LOL. The fact that i'm moaning about the fact that my ward doesn't belong in Wallasey is one thing...



They're having a right laugh with that one. Gordon Brown's lost his PPS from Wirral South anyway - nice MP, saw her speak with him on the day of the leadership result before he got to conference.
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« Reply #539 on: September 12, 2011, 01:08:21 PM »

A work of beauty.
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« Reply #540 on: September 12, 2011, 01:21:10 PM »

WTF is that? Did someone spill their coffee?
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« Reply #541 on: September 12, 2011, 01:30:57 PM »

WTF is that? Did someone spill their coffee?

Definitely a contender for worst proposal.
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« Reply #542 on: September 12, 2011, 01:33:39 PM »

STV anyone?
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« Reply #543 on: September 12, 2011, 01:47:25 PM »


yes please, just stick existing districts together like they do in Ireland and don't mess about too much, I'm doing a london map and spotted some right corkers so far
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« Reply #544 on: September 12, 2011, 01:49:45 PM »


yes please, just stick existing districts together like they do in Ireland and don't mess about too much, I'm doing a london map and spotted some right corkers so far

Streatham still visible for Chucka?

Just going through Liverpool and the surrounding areas now.
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« Reply #545 on: September 12, 2011, 03:17:16 PM »


I prefer open lists, but, yeah. Anything but this.
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« Reply #546 on: September 12, 2011, 05:33:43 PM »

What i've got so far
http://i54.tinypic.com/300qydk.jpg
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« Reply #547 on: September 12, 2011, 05:42:05 PM »

LOL. The fact that i'm moaning about the fact that my ward doesn't belong in Wallasey is one thing...



They're having a right laugh with that one. Gordon Brown's lost his PPS from Wirral South anyway - nice MP, saw her speak with him on the day of the leadership result before he got to conference.


That is BEAUTIFUL.

Totally unworkable, I mean.  The BCE have done one very good thing - they've managed to do all this without splitting a single ward, anywhere, and that's to be appluaded

However, the consequence is seats like this.

My backyard is Lancashire, where some absolute corkers have been proposed.  Putting Fishwick, one of the most socially and economically challenged wards in England, with the rural expanse of Ribble Valley is tasteless....
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« Reply #548 on: September 12, 2011, 05:45:25 PM »

But is it to be applauded? They've managed to get the numbers to work out right, sure. But this isn't a psephological-wank exercise of the sort that we enjoy a fair bit here, it's the real thing.

Of course given the rules and all that we really shouldn't be terribly surprised by any of this. Even if we all are.
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« Reply #549 on: September 12, 2011, 05:58:59 PM »

But is it to be applauded? They've managed to get the numbers to work out right, sure. But this isn't a psephological-wank exercise of the sort that we enjoy a fair bit here, it's the real thing.

Of course given the rules and all that we really shouldn't be terribly surprised by any of this. Even if we all are.

I think that's what will hurt them. They did it in Scotland; got all the numbers right, patted themselves on the back and were rightfully shafted by the Commissioner who recommended 80% of it was thrown out. They will have to justify why they choose not to split any wards and on what basis they did so especially when set against the other criteria. I don't think they will be able to justify it making this a wasted exercise.
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