The Confederacy and WWII

[ag]

Given that the South would have had no Pacific coast and no Pearl Harbor, it is not clear why'd they enter the war at all, unless they'd have happened to be a British satellite by then, in which case the might have participated the way South Africa did. In fact, CSA would have resembled the actual SA rather well in a lot of respects.

I could see a situation in which they'd ally with the Axis on the ideological affinity grounds, but that doesn't seem too likely (unless the Brits had made themselves very unpopular while forcing the slavery abolition: but, again, that doesn't seem very likely).

In every other case (i.e., they are neither semi-British, nor anti-British), I'd think the'd have joined the war some time in 1944 (or whenever the victory would have become plausible), in order to get into the United Nations.  May be, they'd have sent a squadron or two to actually fight alongside the Allies - the way, say, Mexico did. Or else, they'd play Irish.

[ag]

Given that the South would have had no Pacific coast and no Pearl Harbor, it is not clear why'd they enter the war at all, unless they'd have happened to be a British satellite by then, in which case the might have participated the way South Africa did. In fact, CSA would have resembled the actual SA rather well in a lot of respects.

By any reasonable cultural or objective sociological comparisons that analogy is absurd.

Any reasonable nation acts before it is attacked in order to prevent such things as Pearl Harbor. The south would have done just that.

Who'd be attacking the South? Unless it is well within the British orbit, it would have been the last country to have problems w/ the Axis. Pearl Harbor wouldn't have had anything to do w/ the South. I am not claiming they'd necessarily send a congratulatory note to the Imperial Japanese Government on their success in screwing the Yanks, but, to the extent there'd be a public sympathy there in the Confederate perss, it wouldn't have been w/ the USA.

[ag]

Any reasonable nation acts before it is attacked in order to prevent such things as Pearl Harbor. The south would have done just that.

Therefore, by your logic, it was reasonable for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor in order to get the jump on the US.

No because the US was never plotting an attack on pearl harbor.

Does a reasonable country, in your view, need to be sure of that or are indications that another country might be plotting an attack enough?

How can you be sure? With all the wrongdoings going on at that time I think common sense is plenty.

What was it, that was going on, that would have made them nervous (again, assuming they are not a British satellite)? Again, I'd say it would have been the Northern threat, not anything whatsoever that was being done by the Axis. The British trade and political influence might have dragged them into the war on the right side. However, the natural sympathies would have been w/ the Axis, of course.

[ag]

Given that the South would have had no Pacific coast and no Pearl Harbor, it is not clear why'd they enter the war at all, unless they'd have happened to be a British satellite by then, in which case the might have participated the way South Africa did. In fact, CSA would have resembled the actual SA rather well in a lot of respects.

By any reasonable cultural or objective sociological comparisons that analogy is absurd.

Not that absurd. Racialist states, in both cases. Yes, in the CSA the whites would have been a majority (though not such a big majority in a lot of places - remember, it is possible, the black migration to the Northern factories would have never happened). But the political system would still be incapable of accommodating the blacks as anything other than semi-humans.

I am not saying it would have been a carbon copy of SA, but it is hard for me to see another actually existing state that would have been more similar.

[ag]

Given that the South would have had no Pacific coast and no Pearl Harbor, it is not clear why'd they enter the war at all, unless they'd have happened to be a British satellite by then, in which case the might have participated the way South Africa did. In fact, CSA would have resembled the actual SA rather well in a lot of respects.

By any reasonable cultural or objective sociological comparisons that analogy is absurd.

Any reasonable nation acts before it is attacked in order to prevent such things as Pearl Harbor. The south would have done just that.

Who'd be attacking the South? Unless it is well within the British orbit, it would have been the last country to have problems w/ the Axis. Pearl Harbor wouldn't have had anything to do w/ the South. I am not claiming they'd necessarily send a congratulatory note to the Imperial Japanese Government on their success in screwing the Yanks, but, to the extent there'd be a public sympathy there in the Confederate perss, it wouldn't have been w/ the USA.

WWII if it happened at all had the south won, may have reunited the CSA and the union.

Why? Unless, that is, you think the CSA would have joined on the side of the Axis and lost.