1964 Election

[dazzleman]

Eric Hass (Socialist Labor)

But out of these two, Goldwater.

Why would you not have voted for Johnson?

I would have had reservations about Goldwater because he was against the Civil Rights Acts.  I am not a liberal, but I don't think that basic rights for all Americans is a conservative-liberal issue, and I think it was absolutely necessary at that time to make the first steps toward ending systematized discrimination, against the spirit and word of the constitution, against blacks.  Despite my dislike of Johnson and the Democrats, I would have been reluctant to vote for a candidate who did not seem to understand this.

I think Goldwater would've made a distinction between discrimination by the government and discrimination by private individuals.  I know I would.

I would too, and the Civil Rights Act were passed to do away with government-sponsored and supported discrimination or discrimination in public accomodations.  I don't think there's too much that can be done about discrimination in private life, nor should there be.

[Gustaf]

Hard one...I would probably have voted Goldwater if it hadn't been for the Civil Rights Act, making it LBJ.

[??????????]

Do you think LBJ signed the Civil Rights act for political gain or because he really believed in it? LBJ was one of the biggest racists of the period as were many many democrats.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Where was the political gain for LBJ?

[??????????]

Support from Northern States.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Er... no.

[??????????]

Ok, then give me the reason why you think LBJ signed it? He was well known to be a racist.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

He was a racist because he was brought up a racist. I doubt that he liked being a racist.
He certainly disliked segregation though.

Anyhow...

Ralph Yarborough for President!

[??????????]

You're either a racist or not a racist. Their's no middle ground. You cant be a racist and "not like it".

[Filuwaúrdjan]

LBJ was passively racist

[© tweed]

LBJ was passively racist

He was a racist but he disliked being a racist?  What?

[dazzleman]

You're either a racist or not a racist. Their's no middle ground. You cant be a racist and "not like it".

I don't really think it's that black and white.  I think that everybody has certain prejudices, whether they admit it or not, and that racism is a matter of degree.

You can also recognize your prejudices, and try to avoid acting on them inappropriately.

I think that LBJ realized that the time had come for change, and decided to act in defiance of his own prejudices and upbringing.  For that, he deserves credit, because that's the only way that bad prejudices are reduced or eliminated.

[Gustaf]

You're either a racist or not a racist. Their's no middle ground. You cant be a racist and "not like it".

I don't really think it's that black and white.  I think that everybody has certain prejudices, whether they admit it or not, and that racism is a matter of degree.

You can also recognize your prejudices, and try to avoid acting on them inappropriately.

I think that LBJ realized that the time had come for change, and decided to act in defiance of his own prejudices and upbringing.  For that, he deserves credit, because that's the only way that bad prejudices are reduced or eliminated.

Good points. I agree.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't really think it's that black and white.  I think that everybody has certain prejudices, whether they admit it or not, and that racism is a matter of degree.

You can also recognize your prejudices, and try to avoid acting on them inappropriately.

I think that LBJ realized that the time had come for change, and decided to act in defiance of his own prejudices and upbringing.  For that, he deserves credit, because that's the only way that bad prejudices are reduced or eliminated.

True.
BTW that sounds a lot like some of the stuff the SPLC says.
Good to see you being objective

[??????????]

SPLC? This acronym has me lost. If you refresh me I will feel like a idiot no doubt.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Southern Poverty Law Centre.
They sue far-right organisations.
Based in Montgomery, AL (their headquarters were fire bombed in the 1980's).
Headed by Morris Dees (In charge of McGovern's finances in 1972, Carter's in 1976 and Ted Kennedy's in 1980).

[??????????]

Oh yeah. Those guys are very very very very biased. I can't stand them.

[dazzleman]

I don't really think it's that black and white.  I think that everybody has certain prejudices, whether they admit it or not, and that racism is a matter of degree.

You can also recognize your prejudices, and try to avoid acting on them inappropriately.

I think that LBJ realized that the time had come for change, and decided to act in defiance of his own prejudices and upbringing.  For that, he deserves credit, because that's the only way that bad prejudices are reduced or eliminated.

True.
BTW that sounds a lot like some of the stuff the SPLC says.
Good to see you being objective

Well, I think the Southern Poverty Law Center is very extreme.  I don't like them or their tactics.  I think that organizations like that breed more prejudice.

[??????????]

They trash the SCV and UDC which are southern heritage organizations and have nothing to do with hate. They want southerners to have no culture or pride of the area from which southerners come from.

They call the SCV a hate group even though the SCV has many black members and has given money to Civil Rights groups. Those guys the SPLC I group with the left whacko ACLU.


By the way this is the link to the group:

http://www.scv.org/about/whatis.asp

[opebo]

Eric Hass (Socialist Labor)

But out of these two, Goldwater.

Why would you not have voted for Johnson?

I would have had reservations about Goldwater because he was against the Civil Rights Acts.  I am not a liberal, but I don't think that basic rights for all Americans is a conservative-liberal issue, and I think it was absolutely necessary at that time to make the first steps toward ending systematized discrimination, against the spirit and word of the constitution, against blacks.  Despite my dislike of Johnson and the Democrats, I would have been reluctant to vote for a candidate who did not seem to understand this.

I think Goldwater would've made a distinction between discrimination by the government and discrimination by private individuals.  I know I would.

I would too, and the Civil Rights Act were passed to do away with government-sponsored and supported discrimination or discrimination in public accomodations.  I don't think there's too much that can be done about discrimination in private life, nor should there be.

Alas, all sorts of freedom-reducing attempts have been made to do just that.

[Reaganfan]

Goldwater should have run as president in 1996. He would have beaten Clinton.

[??????????]

Goldwater should have run as president in 1996. He would have beaten Clinton.

He was still alive? Is he still alive? I haven't heard a word about him lately.

[dunn]

He died may 1998 age 89

[Nephthys]

Goldwater