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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: June 06, 2010, 08:13:01 PM »
« edited: June 06, 2010, 08:15:44 PM by The Goy's Teeth »

It's incredibly dumb and screams "I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER ADVERTISING STRATEGY!!!!".

Offensive? Yeah. Probably. "LOL PROSTITUTION IS TEH FUNNIEST!!!111 But it's okay.. we are being 'ironic'". God If I read that defense one more time for douchebaggery I'll.... I don't know but it will be bad.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 08:28:34 PM »

Here's the ironic part. The most vocal of these prudes has this as her profile photo:



Which is more offensive now; a billboard using prostitution humor, or a parody of something that encapsulates what amounts to the worse in the human suffering?

No. The difference is that the "Chairman Meow" poster is not there to advertise only to amuse. It also does not involve any real people like the model in the campaign. And finally (and most importantly) it's witty and has some originality and imagination to it (and I don't see how it is trivalizing the deaths of those under Mao), the billboard on the other hand...
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2010, 08:36:52 PM »

Here's the ironic part. The most vocal of these prudes has this as her profile photo:



Which is more offensive now; a billboard using prostitution humor, or a parody of something that encapsulates what amounts to the worse in the human suffering?

No. The difference is that the "Chairman Meow" poster is not there to advertise only to amuse. It also does not involve any real people like the model in the campaign. And finally (and most importantly) it's witty and has some originality and imagination to it (and I don't see how it is trivalizing the deaths of those under Mao), the billboard on the other hand...

Witty? It's a pun.

Still more intelligent than the billboard. (and while "witty" is a wrong word to use there is some intelligence in the Juxtaposition of images rather than the language. Nothing more than Internet humour, but what's wrong with that? Earth, I want a reply).
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 08:45:24 PM »

It's incredibly dumb and screams "I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER ADVERTISING STRATEGY!!!!".

Offensive? Yeah. Probably. "LOL PROSTITUTION IS TEH FUNNIEST!!!111 But it's okay.. we are being 'ironic'". God If I read that defense one more time for douchebaggery I'll.... I don't know but it will be bad.

Uh, you like South Park.

"Douchebaggery" is the key word in the sentence. The South Park guys, at their best, are actually excellent satirists especially on TV/Movie conventions.
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 09:09:56 PM »

Yes, yes, I understand your point about the prudery about sex versus the open trivalization of the violence of history that the poster represents. I disagree obviously.

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True. But what if it does? Then it would only be bad art.

The billboard is trying to tap into cultural ideas about the female body, women and prostitution and does so in the totally crass, inane and offensive way that is the bedrock of so much of modern advertising. Remember the billboard is selling a product, a product which is not related in any way to what I just mentioned. They do this because they believe it will be effective (and judging from many of the comments here, it probably is). That's the important part - sexuality as a form of consumption to be played for 'irony'.

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Fair enough. But I do think the example is silly because the example is not particularly strong. The poster strikes me as too inconquestial. It is basically nothing but irony.

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Okay you might be right with debatable. But irrelevant?

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I don't think so. The best way to deal with propaganda is to laugh at it often by underlining it's particular self-importance (I'm only talking about what we traditionally define as propaganda here. I would argue that the billboard would
count as propaganda too. Perhaps a more insidious one because we don't think of it as propaganda and thus dismiss it as much. Ever read The Space Merchants? It has some good stuff on this).

If I did a parody of North Korean propaganda right now (and many people on this forum have done so) would that be me trivalizing all that is happening in North Korea right now?
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 05:02:53 PM »

Earth,

It strikes me that the real litmus test is whether Chinese people, especially victims of Mao, would consider the poster offensive. While it may be inane and kitsch, I don't think it excipilitly denies the murdering of millions of Chinese People under the Maoist state. The Kitschification of 'Totalitarianism' has been common in western popular art for a long while now. Would you consider the film The Producers a trivalization of Nazism and thus offensive?

(Basically this comes down to a simple personal preference. I find the advert far, far more annoying than the poster. You may disagree but articulating why (for either of us) may be quite difficult.)

The question of whether exploiting sexuality is worse or better than trivalizing history is an interesting one. I though would tend to disagree...
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