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« on: June 06, 2010, 04:01:14 AM »

Obviously the Utah Democrats and Rhode Island Republicans are dealt a sorry set of circumstances.


But in potentially competitive states, what is the most fail Democratic state party in America? Republican?

Illinois Republicans are famously bad.  The Florida Democratic party could probably do a lot better.  Better examples?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2010, 04:05:26 AM »

New York Republicans by far.
Kansas Democrats seem pretty inept too.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2010, 05:41:57 AM »

New York Republicans by far.
Kansas Democrats seem pretty inept too.

I second this.
I will add the Maryland GOP. They currently hold one out of eight seats for the House of Representatives, they are a permanent minority in the State Legislature and it has been ages since they last won a US Senate seat.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2010, 06:06:36 AM »


Nothing else comes close.   
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2010, 06:08:40 AM »

Obviously the Utah Democrats and Rhode Island Republicans are dealt a sorry set of circumstances.

Why?  Rhode Island has a Republican governor and Utah's got a Democratic Cogressman representing a solidly conservative half of the state.  Rhode Island also had a Republican Senator until 2007. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2010, 08:15:39 AM »

Idaho Democrats?

Massachusetts Republicans? (forget Scott Brown)
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2010, 08:17:52 AM »

Massachusetts Republicans? (forget Scott Brown)

They seem to be getting their act together this year in a big way.

Mitt Romney did great damage to them when they were already in poor shape.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2010, 08:28:24 AM »

Massachusetts Republicans? (forget Scott Brown)

They seem to be getting their act together this year in a big way.

Could you please explain this further?
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2010, 08:44:36 AM »

Massachusetts Republicans? (forget Scott Brown)

They seem to be getting their act together this year in a big way.

Could you please explain this further?


They're contesting all but one of the House seats (Capuano) and all but one of the statewide offices (Martha Coakley, of course). However, they still suck when it comes to the state legislature -- they left a majority of the State House seats uncontested and 1/3 of the Dem-held seats. And aside from MA-10, it doesn't look like they have much of a shot at any of the House seats.
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2010, 10:37:47 AM »

Nevada GOP?
Nevada democrats?

Wyoming democrats? (without freudenthal)

NEW YORK GOP!!

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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2010, 11:45:25 AM »

South Carolina Democratic Party

All too often, they don't even go through the motions.

2006 could have been a competitive year in both the Governor and Lt. Governor's races and they didn't seem to even try.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2010, 11:48:45 AM »

Idaho Democrats aren't so bad either. Hell Minnick might get reelected.

The West Virginia Republicans have done a lousy job capitalizing on the state's so-called Republican trending locally.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 11:50:32 AM »

Everyone who doesn't say New York Republicans doesn't know what they are talking about!


The political infighting is epic, the party chairman, grandson of Richard Nixon, is on the verge of being ousted, the party chairman handpicked a Democratic county executive and spray painted him red and tried to force him to through the convention and failed, there are serious rumors that he did this to get said county executive's support for his son in a Congressional race in his county, meanwhile, there's a guy who used to email out horse pornography and who has a love child with a former mistress who is going to be out there and outspending the candidate who actually got nominated 8-1 before the primary date, and this is all to take on a Democrat that most political types think is unbeatable in a Democratic state!  AND THAT'S ALL JUST BECAUSE OF ONE RACE
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 12:50:30 PM »

South Carolina Democratic Party

All too often, they don't even go through the motions.

2006 could have been a competitive year in both the Governor and Lt. Governor's races and they didn't seem to even try.

Didn't Bauer come within a few thousand votes of losing?
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 01:28:53 PM »

Everyone who doesn't say New York Republicans doesn't know what they are talking about!


The political infighting is epic, the party chairman, grandson of Richard Nixon, is on the verge of being ousted, the party chairman handpicked a Democratic county executive and spray painted him red and tried to force him to through the convention and failed, there are serious rumors that he did this to get said county executive's support for his son in a Congressional race in his county, meanwhile, there's a guy who used to email out horse pornography and who has a love child with a former mistress who is going to be out there and outspending the candidate who actually got nominated 8-1 before the primary date, and this is all to take on a Democrat that most political types think is unbeatable in a Democratic state!  AND THAT'S ALL JUST BECAUSE OF ONE RACE

In theory, the New York Governor's race should be competitive, given the quality of the last two Democratic governors of the state - Spitzer the sleazy and Paterson the inept.   Yet Republicans couldn't get their act together to nominate a quality candidate to run against Cuomo - and that's in part because outside of Guiliani and maybe Pataki, there aren't any.

In theory, a still relatively unknown Senator who was appointed by one of the most hated governors in state history should be beatable with a good candidate.  In practice, the New York State Republican party is so inept that is can't even agree to back A candidate, let alone a good one.

Yeah, the NY GOP is very ineffective.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 01:34:23 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2010, 01:36:18 PM by Lunar »

Everyone who doesn't say New York Republicans doesn't know what they are talking about!


The political infighting is epic, the party chairman, grandson of Richard Nixon, is on the verge of being ousted, the party chairman handpicked a Democratic county executive and spray painted him red and tried to force him to through the convention and failed, there are serious rumors that he did this to get said county executive's support for his son in a Congressional race in his county, meanwhile, there's a guy who used to email out horse pornography and who has a love child with a former mistress who is going to be out there and outspending the candidate who actually got nominated 8-1 before the primary date, and this is all to take on a Democrat that most political types think is unbeatable in a Democratic state!  AND THAT'S ALL JUST BECAUSE OF ONE RACE

In theory, the New York Governor's race should be competitive, given the quality of the last two Democratic governors of the state - Spitzer the sleazy and Paterson the inept.   Yet Republicans couldn't get their act together to nominate a quality candidate to run against Cuomo - and that's in part because outside of Guiliani and maybe Pataki, there aren't any.

In theory, a still relatively unknown Senator who was appointed by one of the most hated governors in state history should be beatable with a good candidate.  In practice, the New York State Republican party is so inept that is can't even agree to back A candidate, let alone a good one.

Yeah, the NY GOP is very ineffective.

Not to mention, that guy who's the Dad of Kara from American Idol [and apparently a former Congressman] is apparently still running on the Conservative line for Senator, and didn't even qualify for the ballot on the GOP line, which can ruin whichever nobody ends up winning the GOP primary to take on Gillibrand.

Also, the Staten Island GOP seemed to have come out of nowhere and endorsed a controversial guy who has two families,  before dropping that idea and backing the less electable of the two available candidates, possibly in an intentional plot to lose the 2010 election against McMahon so that the two families guy can be guaranteed a Democratic opponent in 2012.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2010, 02:04:02 PM »

As far as effective organization, the Massachusetts GOP has been making strides since 2004. Mitt Romney was responsible for setting the framework for the party infrastructure used to help elect Scott Brown. In terms of comparison, the NA Dems really don't have much in terms of a solid party apparatus, partly because MA Dems are so factionalized. Look at the SE to replace Brown -- Democrats worked against Democrats to give Richard Ross the win.

Given their registration advantage, though, it really doesn't matter in 90% of the cases.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2010, 02:13:50 PM »

Montana Republicans seem to be rather ineffective considering how red their state is.
The fact that they chose Bob Keleher to challenge Max Baucus was the definition of epic fail.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2010, 02:14:27 PM »

South Carolina Democratic Party

All too often, they don't even go through the motions.

2006 could have been a competitive year in both the Governor and Lt. Governor's races and they didn't seem to even try.

Didn't Bauer come within a few thousand votes of losing?

Yes, despite Barber and the party not really doing anything. And Moore was practically invisible in the governor's race once he won the nomination.  Had the Dems actually tried, both the Governor and Lt. Governor could have been Democrats this past cycle and we wouldn't have had to put up with the Appalachian Trail.  Of course, as incumbents, Moore and Barber would be facing some stiff headwinds this year and been likely to lose the general election this fall.
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 02:15:00 PM »

I suppose winning only 2 House seats out of 29 is a pretty valid reason to point out the NY GOP too.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 02:19:09 PM »

I suppose winning only 2 House seats out of 29 is a pretty valid reason to point out the NY GOP too.

And there isn't even a Democratic gerrymander!
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 02:21:19 PM »

Here are 5 of the states that are the most Democratic on a local level. I believe the Democrats hve a 2/3rds majority in the state legislature of all 5.

MA - GOP has only 10% of the legislature. Scott Brown is all they've got
RI, HI - GOP will probably lose governor's race this year, which was all they had
AR, WV - Trending GOP at the Presidential level. GOP has 1 member of Congress.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 04:36:53 PM »

The south is a whole different breed.  Any real Dem has no shot in Arkansas but Southern Democrats are basically centrist Republicans so they win out plenty.  And state legislatures very rarely turn over unless something catastrophic happens in the state.
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2010, 04:52:46 PM »

The CO GOP was pretty bad in 2004-2008 (though not a disaster), but they seem to have got their act together this year.

I would imagine the VT GOP is pretty incompetent as well, as they went from controlling the state to having only one office holder keeping them relevant (the Governor), while the NH GOP remained strong. I always had the impression that Vermont should be more competitive than Massachusetts or Rhode Island, but perhaps I have the wrong idea.
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2010, 05:40:51 PM »
« Edited: June 06, 2010, 05:45:20 PM by Give-em Hell Yankee!!! »

Nevada GOP?
Nevada democrats?

Wyoming democrats? (without freudenthal)

NEW YORK GOP!!




Nevada GOP has done pretty well. Holding the Governorship in 2006 of all years. And likely to hold the Governorship again by tossing out the incumbent Governor (Frank Murkowski style), the GOP is in a strong position to take NV-03 and NV-02 is safe. They have a problem with the Senate. They need Hellar to primary Ensign in 2012 and they need someone other then Angle against Reid.


I would say NY GOP. They should be competative in the Governorship, the Special Senate election, 8 Dem House seats (NY-01, NY-13, NY-19, NY-20, NY-23, NY-24, and NY-29 and one other other one out of NY-02, NY-04, and NY-25*), and numerous State Senate, and State Assembly seats. They had a great off year election, and some specials earlier, but they are doing everything to throw that momentum away. And I never thought I would see the day that the CPNY nominated a stronger Senate candidate then the GOP.

* I know, but you never know who is banging who and the GOP should always been in position to profit just like the Dems were with Foley and Fossela.

The ILL GOP despite nominating Brady looks like they will gain the Governorship, If Kirk survives his military scandal they have a Senate seat and are in good condition in ILL-11, ILL-14, and ILL-10 also is not as lost as I would have thought it would be. They are sh**tty with regards to the State Legislature though. I will put them on probation. Had that nominated Dillard and Murphy for Governor and LG, then they might get off the list of incompetents.

The CA GOP's stupidity is unmatched. I am not sure if its the water, the weed, the woman or a combination of all three, but they are there own worst enemy.


The MA GOP has gotten its act together in terms of organization, and infrastructure. They also have some great candidates coming forward (Ogonoski in 2007, Brown in 2010) while the Dems, have a whole crapload of terrible people who from years of not having opposition are weak. The problem now is getting people to vote more often for a party they once considered the Devil incarnate. We shall see if they can take the Auditor and Treasurer positions which are both open, and they have good candidates in both, make some gains in the Legislature and if they can snag MA-10.  If they can take MA-10, I think they can also make plays for MA-02, MA-05, and MA-06 should they become open down the road barring major redistricting changes.

WV and AR GOP on the state level, both might see improvement on the federal level (House, but also Senate in AR)

MT GOP for the reasons stated.

NM GOP was incompetent for a long while but with Martinez they may have finally gotten their act together.

As for the Dems, I would TN where the party is collapsing, KS (The Dems lost a 2006 house seat gain here in 2008, they likely will lose their last House seat, the Governorship and the Senate seat will likely go to Moran (Or Tiarht) with over 60%, in 2010.) And there is Louisiania. AG Buddy Caldwell is the only statewide elected Dem beside Mary Landrieu. They managed to lose a 2008 special election gain and failed to gain LA-04 not to mention losing LA-02. (Aside from LA-02 and LA-01, open house seats always switched parties).
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