Second Terms.

[Thomas D]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

[Bo]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

You're forgetting that a lot of these Presidents also had problems in their first terms. FDR had the Great Depression, Truman had a severe recession and hyperinflation, Ike had a recession, Nixon had a recession and high inflation, Reagan had a severe recession, Clinton had a miserable screwup on healthcare reform, and Bush Jr. had a recession and 9/11. Also, a lot of the problems Presidents experienced in their second terms began in their first terms--such as Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Clinton's affair, and the Iraq War. However, it does seem that in many cases the Presidents appear to care less and take more risks in their second terms simply due to the facts that they have nothing to lose electorally anymore.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

You're forgetting that a lot of these Presidents also had problems in their first terms. FDR had the Great Depression, Truman had a severe recession and hyperinflation, Ike had a recession, Nixon had a recession and high inflation, Reagan had a severe recession, Clinton had a miserable screwup on healthcare reform, and Bush Jr. had a recession and 9/11. Also, a lot of the problems Presidents experienced in their second terms began in their first terms--such as Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Clinton's affair, and the Iraq War. However, it does seem that in many cases the Presidents appear to care less and take more risks in their second terms simply due to the facts that they have nothing to lose electorally anymore.

Excuses, excuses. The fact of the matter is that all of the presidents listed sucked.

[Bo]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

You're forgetting that a lot of these Presidents also had problems in their first terms. FDR had the Great Depression, Truman had a severe recession and hyperinflation, Ike had a recession, Nixon had a recession and high inflation, Reagan had a severe recession, Clinton had a miserable screwup on healthcare reform, and Bush Jr. had a recession and 9/11. Also, a lot of the problems Presidents experienced in their second terms began in their first terms--such as Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra, Clinton's affair, and the Iraq War. However, it does seem that in many cases the Presidents appear to care less and take more risks in their second terms simply due to the facts that they have nothing to lose electorally anymore.

Excuses, excuses. The fact of the matter is that all of the presidents listed sucked.

Says you.

[WillK]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

Jefferson - Embargo
Madison - War of 1812
Lincoln - well, lets just say his second term didn't go so well for him
McKinely - see Lincoln.

[Derek]

Why are they almost always bad.

Bush- Katrina, Iraq
Clinton- Impeached
Reagan- Iran contra
Nixon- Watergate
LBJ*- Vietnam
Ike- Economic downturn. GOP loses very badly in '58
Truman*- Korea
FDR- Supreme Court packing plan
Wilson- League of Nations failure.

Coincidence or something more.

*Not a second term. But were incumbents who were reelected.

Every member of this site should be reading this one. ^^ Good point! I never thought I'd agree with you, but good point!

[Derek]

And don't forget McKinley and Lincoln's second terms either.

[Bo]

And don't forget McKinley and Lincoln's second terms either.

Lincoln - well, lets just say his second term didn't go so well for him
McKinely - see Lincoln.

[Derek]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

[Bo]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

[Derek]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

Those are all minor. I've never heard anything bad about the 50's. How bad of a recession was it. The 1960 Presidential Election made the US look like heaven so Ike must have left on a good note. Ronald Reagan wasn't effected badly by that scandal and obviously recovered in no time. Clinton was popular when he left office because the GOP fell for his trick and went after his affair when there were 900 other things he could've been impeached for.

[cpeeks]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

Those are all minor. I've never heard anything bad about the 50's. How bad of a recession was it. The 1960 Presidential Election made the US look like heaven so Ike must have left on a good note. Ronald Reagan wasn't effected badly by that scandal and obviously recovered in no time. Clinton was popular when he left office because the GOP fell for his trick and went after his affair when there were 900 other things he could've been impeached for.

900 Things? Really? Didnt Kenneth Star investigate him for 8 years and spend 80 million dollars, and didnt come up with one thing except for the lying under oath. Talk about a witch hunt. Too bad we didnt have an independent counsel when Dubya was in office. I would love to have seen that investigation, and trial that would have resulted.

[Barnes]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

Those are all minor. I've never heard anything bad about the 50's. How bad of a recession was it. The 1960 Presidential Election made the US look like heaven so Ike must have left on a good note. Ronald Reagan wasn't effected badly by that scandal and obviously recovered in no time. Clinton was popular when he left office because the GOP fell for his trick and went after his affair when there were 900 other things he could've been impeached for.

-The '50s were very, very, far from perfect.
-Reagan's approval rating stayed in the 40s and low 50s for nearly all of 1987, also, he had the Stock Market Crash of 1987.
-What else would Clinton have been impeached on?

[Bo]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

Those are all minor. I've never heard anything bad about the 50's. How bad of a recession was it. The 1960 Presidential Election made the US look like heaven so Ike must have left on a good note. Ronald Reagan wasn't effected badly by that scandal and obviously recovered in no time. Clinton was popular when he left office because the GOP fell for his trick and went after his affair when there were 900 other things he could've been impeached for.

Unemployment hit 7.5% in 1958, then came down to 4.8%, and then bounced back up to 6.6% by the time Ike left office. And Reagan's approval ratings did take a hit by Iran Contra. They were in the 40s for a year or two and then they were in the low 50s for another year, in comparison to over 60% before Iran-Contra broke out. Also, Reagan had high unemployment (at about 6.5-7.5%) for a large part of his second term. As for Clinton, the impeachment didn't hurt his job approval ratings, but it did take away a lot of time that could have been used to handle more important issues.

[Derek]

I will say that Eisenhower, Reagan, and Clinton had successful second terms for the most part.

Ike-1958 and 1960 recessions
Reagan-Iran-Contra
Clinton-Impeachment

Those are all minor. I've never heard anything bad about the 50's. How bad of a recession was it. The 1960 Presidential Election made the US look like heaven so Ike must have left on a good note. Ronald Reagan wasn't effected badly by that scandal and obviously recovered in no time. Clinton was popular when he left office because the GOP fell for his trick and went after his affair when there were 900 other things he could've been impeached for.

900 Things? Really? Didnt Kenneth Star investigate him for 8 years and spend 80 million dollars, and didnt come up with one thing except for the lying under oath. Talk about a witch hunt. Too bad we didnt have an independent counsel when Dubya was in office. I would love to have seen that investigation, and trial that would have resulted.

1. He ATTEMPTED TO LEGALIZE DOMESTIC SPYING after the Oklahoma City bombing. Nixon was accused of this in WATERGATE!!! (This could've been avoided without Waco.)
2. He issues an executive order to SEARCH PUBLIC HOUSING WITHOUT A WARRANT.
3. Communications "Decency Act" which would've outlawed discussing abortion online.
4. The David Koresh raid. Koresh COULD'VE BEEN ARRESTED IN THAT TOWN instead of the ridiculous riots that took place at his home. There would've been NO OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING without the Waco incident.
5. He made up the bogus accusation of child abuse to storm into Waco which IS NOT A FEDERAL OFFENSE. Texas was capable of taking care of that themselves.
6. WARS IN HAITI, SOMALIA, and BOSNIA WITHOUT A CLEAR PURPOSE (Bush was clear as to why we invaded Iraq).
7. The appointment of Janet Reno who participated in MISTREATING PRISONERS in Dade County. Oh that's right, it's ok to MISTREAT PRISONERS as long as they are AMERICAN CITIZENS. He had a second class view of American citizens.
8. Clinton sent terror suspects to countries where they could be TORTURED!!!
9. White House for sale. He rented rooms in the White House to foreigners and used the money towards his 1996 reelection campaign.
10. No effort was done to understand McVeigh's motivations.

[cpeeks]

HMM if Kenneth Star could have proved any of that he would have charged him.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I just deleted a number of posts bickering back and forth posts about Bush 43 that had nothing to do specifically with his second term, making them off toic for this thread and not informative enough to be worth splitting into a separate thread.  Please keep threads civil and on topic.

[Derek]

I wish Bush would've been more like his first term in his second term.

[cpeeks]

I wish Bush would've been more like his first term in his second term.

I really cant say it was any worse than is first, unlike some people I understand Katrina wasnt his fault. He cant controll a hurricane, and for the first week they couldnt do anything till the waters resended. Those people knew what was coming, they shoulda left.

[Derek]

I wish Bush would've been more like his first term in his second term.

I really cant say it was any worse than is first, unlike some people I understand Katrina wasnt his fault. He cant controll a hurricane, and for the first week they couldnt do anything till the waters resended. Those people knew what was coming, they shoulda left.

There's more than just that. I agree with Katrina and while the government's response was bad I also am sick of hearing about it. He stopped advancing his agenda about a year after he got reelected. The last push for conservatism was when he tried to privatize social security.