Newsflash to libertarians:

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The word "neoconservative" is not defined as "Any Republican libertarians don't like.", much less "Any political figure libertarians don't like." (for that matter neither is "socialist".)

That is all.

[SvenssonRS]

No, it's defined as "Anyone the God of all things related to the Atlas, BRTD, disagrees with."

Seriously, B, we know. I don't speak for Libertas, but I'm pretty sure the rest of us know.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

No, it's defined as "Anyone the God of all things related to the Atlas, BRTD, disagrees with."

Seriously, B, we know. I don't speak for Libertas, but I'm pretty sure the rest of us know.

When people call Sarah Palin, who I highly doubt can even name a single influential neocon thinker much less have studied or can accurately summarize their works a neocon, that's clearly not true. Neocons are evil, Palin is just stupid.

[Associate Justice PiT]

No, it's defined as "Anyone the God of all things related to the Atlas, BRTD, disagrees with."

Seriously, B, we know. I don't speak for Libertas, but I'm pretty sure the rest of us know.

When people call Sarah Palin, who I highly doubt can even name a single influential neocon thinker much less have studied or can accurately summarize their works a neocon, that's clearly not true. Neocons are evil, Palin is just stupid.

     Perhaps it would be more accurate to describe Palin as a "neocon-enabler"? Then again, she's not in a position to enable anything at the moment, so I suppose the accuracy of such a descriptor is still deeply questionable.

[Free Palestine]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

[dead0man]

I hope you were/are this honest with your fellow Dems when they use it in a manner just as ignorant.

[President Mitt]

Remember that saying about stones, glass houses and the like.

[John Dibble]

Newsflash to BRTD - "What the hell are you blathering on about this time?"

That is all.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

I hope you were/are this honest with your fellow Dems when they use it in a manner just as ignorant.

I have actually.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

I hope you were/are this honest with your fellow Dems when they use it in a manner just as ignorant.

I have actually.

obama is a neo-conservative because him and bush both have the same exact foreign policy lol.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

Um, yeah, that's a ridiculous standard. You don't have to have "seriously studied" any particular individual's ideas to be a promoter of an ideology. The rank-and-file of most ideological movements throughout history have merely obeyed what their leaders told them. But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

Um, yeah, that's a ridiculous standard. You don't have to have "seriously studied" any particular individual's ideas to be a promoter of an ideology. The rank-and-file of most ideological movements throughout history have merely obeyed what their leaders told them. But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

how the the hell is palin a neoconservative?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

Um, yeah, that's a ridiculous standard. You don't have to have "seriously studied" any particular individual's ideas to be a promoter of an ideology. The rank-and-file of most ideological movements throughout history have merely obeyed what their leaders told them. But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

how the the hell is palin a neoconservative?

Palin's entire worldview has been neoconservative since at least 2008.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

A reasonable assumption as it was an intellectual movement.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

A reasonable assumption as it was an intellectual movement.

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.


You don't have to be a theoretician to be an adherent of an ideology.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.

If neoconservatism wasn't an intellectual movement, it pulled off a remarkably good impersonation of one. A critical journal was one of its main organs, for Christ's sake.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.

If neoconservatism wasn't an intellectual movement, it pulled off a remarkably good impersonation of one. A critical journal was one of its main organs, for Christ's sake.

That was then. This is now.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.

If neoconservatism wasn't an intellectual movement, it pulled off a remarkably good impersonation of one. A critical journal was one of its main organs, for Christ's sake.

That was then. This is now.

...

[Free Trade is managed by the invisible hand.]

I know what a neoconservative is, and the Republicans I call "neoconservative" usually are neoconservative.

Clearly not if you think Sarah Palin is a neoconservative. Do you think Palin has seriously studied the ideas of Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol?

Um, yeah, that's a ridiculous standard. You don't have to have "seriously studied" any particular individual's ideas to be a promoter of an ideology. The rank-and-file of most ideological movements throughout history have merely obeyed what their leaders told them. But interesting how you seem to imply that neoconservatives must be intellectuals.

how the the hell is palin a neoconservative?

Palin's entire worldview has been neoconservative since at least 2008.

you failed at answering my question.

[The Mikado]

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.

If neoconservatism wasn't an intellectual movement, it pulled off a remarkably good impersonation of one. A critical journal was one of its main organs, for Christ's sake.

That was then. This is now.

Not really: that was then and now.  Neoconservatism is limited to a number of dusty old scholars that write boring pieces in Commentary and their slightly less dusty popularizers like Kristol the Younger.  It's been by intellectuals, for intellectuals since it was founded: even back when it had its original meaning, the first wave of neocon politicians included as their public image Daniel Patrick Moynihan (within the Democratic Party), probably the best example of a classic intellectual in American elected high office in recent memory (no, don't cite Newt Gingrich, he's not even in the same universe intellectually.)  

Neoconservatism is an ideology that's for intellectuals, by intellectuals, and of intellectuals, and the warmed-over faux populism of a Sarah Palin has nothing to do with it.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

An unreasonable assumption as it is not an intellectual movement.

If neoconservatism wasn't an intellectual movement, it pulled off a remarkably good impersonation of one. A critical journal was one of its main organs, for Christ's sake.

That was then. This is now.

Not really: that was then and now.  Neoconservatism is limited to a number of dusty old scholars that write boring pieces in Commentary and their slightly less dusty popularizers like Kristol the Younger.  It's been by intellectuals, for intellectuals since it was founded: even back when it had its original meaning, the first wave of neocon politicians included as their public image Daniel Patrick Moynihan (within the Democratic Party), probably the best example of a classic intellectual in American elected high office in recent memory (no, don't cite Newt Gingrich, he's not even in the same universe intellectually.)  

Neoconservatism is an ideology that's for intellectuals, by intellectuals, and of intellectuals, and the warmed-over faux populism of a Sarah Palin has nothing to do with it.

By that standard, most of the people in the world have no ideology. Do you think some Russian peasant fighting for Lenin to bring about socialism was well-read on Marx and Engels? Or was he not a true socialist?

You're just plain wrong on this issue. The average idiot in Podunk, USA who mutters that 'we need to bring democracy over there so they don't fight us over here' is as much a neocon as the elite ex-Trotskyite lobbyists sitting in their cushy offices in Washington think tanks. Sarah Palin, at least since she received her McCain makeover, most certainly espouses neoconservative ideology.