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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2010, 06:55:23 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.
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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2010, 06:57:29 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
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« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2010, 07:00:33 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2010, 08:41:29 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?
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« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2010, 09:34:37 PM »

1. Carter - B
2. Clinton - C
3. Nixon - C
4. Ford - C
5. H.W. Bush - D
6. Reagan - D-
7. W. Bush - F
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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2010, 09:36:13 PM »

Obama won't be the best even if he were included on the list. I like Fezzy's point about Ford. I do agree that most of the recent presidents have set the standard of what a good president is pretty low. Given Ford didn't serve a full term, he probably did the least amount of damage than any of the ones listed.
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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2010, 09:39:29 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.
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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2010, 03:06:04 AM »

The US hasn't had good presidents during the last forty years, but Ford is definitely the best.
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2010, 03:36:39 AM »

Ford.  The only people that should be trusted to be President are people that don't want to be President.

He was by far the 'best man' to be president in the last 40 years, but not the best president.  He's tied for second with Clinton, and Carter is the best.

However it is important to remember we have only had decisively right-wing presidents for 40 years straight.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2010, 03:53:39 AM »

Nixon by far.
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2010, 05:05:44 AM »


Well he was certainly the 'greatest', but not the best, the way I think of it.  Nixon was sort of the last of the greats, and was of course president of a greater country.  Even a genius/saint would still be saddled with a relative basket case nowadays compared to what Nixon inherited in 1969.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2010, 01:27:39 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2010, 03:49:54 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.

The yearly averages were 5.8, 6.5, 7.6, 11.3, and 13.5 for 1976, 77, 78, 79, and 80 respectively. Also, inflation increased by 1.5% between the start and end of 1977, 2.2% for 1978, 4.0% for 1979, and actually decreased 1.4% in 1980.

Here is the link for my data:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

So it appears that the Iranian Revolution and resulting oil shock might have accelearated the rise of inflation, but even before the Iranian Revolution and oil shock, inflation was already at/near double-digits, which is double what it was (5%) at the start of Carter's Presidency.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2010, 05:05:06 PM »

Ronald Reagan.  Not only was he the best of the last 40 years, but, IMHO, the greatest in the past 221 years (when President George Washington took office).  Ronald Reagan was a great leader because he defined the conservative movement, which has sadly been taken to the extreme.  He was in the White House when I was born, so I'm a bit biased.  He is also credited with helping to dissolve the USSR and put an end to the Cold War.  Even though the Cold War didn't officially end until President George H. W. Bush's term in 1991, Ronald Reagan is largely credited with ending it and even that early in his administration.  He, Margaret Thatcher, and Mikhail Gorbachev were the instrumental leaders in bringing down the Soviet Union.  The relations with Russia still have never been grandioso in the 20 years since the dissolution of USSR.

It is true that Reagan wasn't the greatest at handling the economy and did make some boneheaded fiscal decisions that led to the Crash of 1987, but socially and internationally, his policies were pretty darn good.  The only president that comes close to Reagan is Clinton whose star started rising during the Reagan administration.
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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2010, 06:39:52 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.

The yearly averages were 5.8, 6.5, 7.6, 11.3, and 13.5 for 1976, 77, 78, 79, and 80 respectively. Also, inflation increased by 1.5% between the start and end of 1977, 2.2% for 1978, 4.0% for 1979, and actually decreased 1.4% in 1980.

Here is the link for my data:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

So it appears that the Iranian Revolution and resulting oil shock might have accelearated the rise of inflation, but even before the Iranian Revolution and oil shock, inflation was already at/near double-digits, which is double what it was (5%) at the start of Carter's Presidency.

was inflation primarly a political issue due to the oil shocks? Steady increase in the inflation rate are fine,but if inflation increases at abnormal pace than it is usually a problem. For example inflation could increase anywhere from 2-3% per year, but if the increase breaks from that trend than investors will start to lose out.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2010, 09:14:42 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.

The yearly averages were 5.8, 6.5, 7.6, 11.3, and 13.5 for 1976, 77, 78, 79, and 80 respectively. Also, inflation increased by 1.5% between the start and end of 1977, 2.2% for 1978, 4.0% for 1979, and actually decreased 1.4% in 1980.

Here is the link for my data:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

So it appears that the Iranian Revolution and resulting oil shock might have accelearated the rise of inflation, but even before the Iranian Revolution and oil shock, inflation was already at/near double-digits, which is double what it was (5%) at the start of Carter's Presidency.

was inflation primarly a political issue due to the oil shocks? Steady increase in the inflation rate are fine,but if inflation increases at abnormal pace than it is usually a problem. For example inflation could increase anywhere from 2-3% per year, but if the increase breaks from that trend than investors will start to lose out.

From what I learned in my Econ class, a inflation rate above 4 or 5% is bad news economically, regardless of whether it continues to increase at a constant pace or not.
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2010, 09:17:13 PM »

Ronald Reagan.  Not only was he the best of the last 40 years, but, IMHO, the greatest in the past 221 years (when President George Washington took office).  Ronald Reagan was a great leader because he defined the conservative movement, which has sadly been taken to the extreme.  He was in the White House when I was born, so I'm a bit biased.  He is also credited with helping to dissolve the USSR and put an end to the Cold War.  Even though the Cold War didn't officially end until President George H. W. Bush's term in 1991, Ronald Reagan is largely credited with ending it and even that early in his administration.  He, Margaret Thatcher, and Mikhail Gorbachev were the instrumental leaders in bringing down the Soviet Union.  The relations with Russia still have never been grandioso in the 20 years since the dissolution of USSR.

It is true that Reagan wasn't the greatest at handling the economy and did make some boneheaded fiscal decisions that led to the Crash of 1987, but socially and internationally, his policies were pretty darn good.  The only president that comes close to Reagan is Clinton whose star started rising during the Reagan administration.

Reagan had almost nothing to do with the end of the Cold War. Telling Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall wasn't what made Gorbachev tear it down at the end. Gorbachev deserves almost all the credit for ending the Cold War, for he was the one who liberalized the Soviet system and thus allowed it to collapse. In terms of foreign policy, Reagan is way overrated. He just continued his predecessors' foreign policy with tougher rhetoric.
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2010, 11:05:36 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.

The yearly averages were 5.8, 6.5, 7.6, 11.3, and 13.5 for 1976, 77, 78, 79, and 80 respectively. Also, inflation increased by 1.5% between the start and end of 1977, 2.2% for 1978, 4.0% for 1979, and actually decreased 1.4% in 1980.

Here is the link for my data:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

So it appears that the Iranian Revolution and resulting oil shock might have accelearated the rise of inflation, but even before the Iranian Revolution and oil shock, inflation was already at/near double-digits, which is double what it was (5%) at the start of Carter's Presidency.

was inflation primarly a political issue due to the oil shocks? Steady increase in the inflation rate are fine,but if inflation increases at abnormal pace than it is usually a problem. For example inflation could increase anywhere from 2-3% per year, but if the increase breaks from that trend than investors will start to lose out.

From what I learned in my Econ class, a inflation rate above 4 or 5% is bad news economically, regardless of whether it continues to increase at a constant pace or not.

This is what I learned from a PHD student.

Inflation is only bad if it is unexpected. If there was a sudden, unexpected inflation then it could be damaging because it may cause people to make poor decisions. Like expanding a business because it appears that profits have gone up, and not realizing that costs have too. But if inflation is stable and consistent it gets built into the system. For instance we have a steady 2.5% inflation rate, if I am a lender and I want to earn 3% interest I can build my rate around the inflation rate by making my rate 5.5%. It just gets built into the system.

Finally , inflation is necessary. Not a lot of it, but a little.That is why hot economic productivity is strongly correlated with lots of inflation, and in fact ever since the dawn of the era inflation has been common. Over time people increase, productivity increases, GDP increases, and likewise the money-supply naturally needs to increase. [additionally fighting inflation and fighting unemployment are mutually exclusive strategies]

This is also something very similar to what a particular textbook i am thinking of right now, and that i could probably buy in stores. In fact this very same textbook has almost the same exact words that the book uses, almost.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2010, 11:07:27 PM »

Clinton and carter were the best presidents before obama, and after nixon. Just goes to show that you don't have to do much to look better than a republican president.

Ford>Carter

how so?

Carter, unlike Ford, failed to handle inflation or reduce the inflation rate under his Presidency. Also, Carter failed in handling the Iranian hostage crisis.


Carter did appoint Volcker, and secondly he had nothing to do with the supply shock of 1979. On the other hand ford was not president during a supply shock, or an unexpected increase in the inflation rate. Remember consumer inflation is primarily a problem if it is unexpected like it was in 74, and 79.

Inflation began increasing under Carter at the beginning of 1977. He only appointed Volcker two years later.
ok, but when did inflation primarily become a problem?

Depends who you're asking. Considering it was 5% at the start of 1977 and began rising again at that point, it could be argued that inflation started becoming a serious problem again in early 1977.

what was the difference between each year. For example during the oil shock inflation rose more dramatically.

The yearly averages were 5.8, 6.5, 7.6, 11.3, and 13.5 for 1976, 77, 78, 79, and 80 respectively. Also, inflation increased by 1.5% between the start and end of 1977, 2.2% for 1978, 4.0% for 1979, and actually decreased 1.4% in 1980.

Here is the link for my data:

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet

So it appears that the Iranian Revolution and resulting oil shock might have accelearated the rise of inflation, but even before the Iranian Revolution and oil shock, inflation was already at/near double-digits, which is double what it was (5%) at the start of Carter's Presidency.

was inflation primarly a political issue due to the oil shocks? Steady increase in the inflation rate are fine,but if inflation increases at abnormal pace than it is usually a problem. For example inflation could increase anywhere from 2-3% per year, but if the increase breaks from that trend than investors will start to lose out.

From what I learned in my Econ class, a inflation rate above 4 or 5% is bad news economically, regardless of whether it continues to increase at a constant pace or not.

//From what I learned in my Econ class, a inflation rate above 4 or 5% is bad news economically, regardless of whether it continues to increase at a constant pace or not.//
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« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2010, 05:45:03 PM »

Ronald Reagan.  Not only was he the best of the last 40 years, but, IMHO, the greatest in the past 221 years (when President George Washington took office).  Ronald Reagan was a great leader because he defined the conservative movement, which has sadly been taken to the extreme.  He was in the White House when I was born, so I'm a bit biased.  He is also credited with helping to dissolve the USSR and put an end to the Cold War.  Even though the Cold War didn't officially end until President George H. W. Bush's term in 1991, Ronald Reagan is largely credited with ending it and even that early in his administration.  He, Margaret Thatcher, and Mikhail Gorbachev were the instrumental leaders in bringing down the Soviet Union.  The relations with Russia still have never been grandioso in the 20 years since the dissolution of USSR.

It is true that Reagan wasn't the greatest at handling the economy and did make some boneheaded fiscal decisions that led to the Crash of 1987, but socially and internationally, his policies were pretty darn good.  The only president that comes close to Reagan is Clinton whose star started rising during the Reagan administration.

Do you think illegally arming the Iranians so you can hide the funds and illegally fund the Contra Rebels, whose funding was made illegal in a unanimous vote because they were raping and killing women and children, signs of the greatest President in History??
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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2010, 08:13:30 PM »

Yea I bet alot of people really miss the Carter economy. Our hostages loved his presidency as well I'm sure.  Gosh how did Reagan even win? Hmm. See those results are when you know it's not credible.
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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2010, 08:15:24 PM »

Yea I bet alot of people really miss the Carter economy. Our hostages loved his presidency as well I'm sure.  Gosh how did Reagan even win? Hmm. See those results are when you know it's not credible.

A lot of people miss the economy Carter's policies created that Reagan took credit for.
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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2010, 08:18:25 PM »

Reagan. Yes Reagan.
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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2010, 08:19:22 PM »

Yea I bet alot of people really miss the Carter economy. Our hostages loved his presidency as well I'm sure.  Gosh how did Reagan even win? Hmm. See those results are when you know it's not credible.

A lot of people miss the economy Carter's policies created that Reagan took credit for.

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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2010, 08:20:17 PM »


Does that make you a RINOino? Tongue
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