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« on: June 18, 2010, 04:40:55 AM »
« edited: August 01, 2010, 05:26:17 PM by big bad fab »



Another one...
Despite saying the contrary, France is fond of referendums, wanted to be a direct democracy during the Revolution's first years, then opted for some periods of "cesarism", which some wanted to keep with a "republican" or a "democratic" trend in it.
More recently, questions of sovereignty has been put in referendums and many more referendums could be organized if the Constitution were entirely used (pensions reform could be a subject, BTW...).
Anyway, enjoy this new survivor !

July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 mai 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe


Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 1 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you have 3 points, to cast 2-1.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.

Beware !
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 10:13:59 AM »

2 for July 1793
1 for September 1795 (An III constitution)

Those old "referendums" were registrations of "happy few" opinions. I'm not fan of them.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 11:34:39 AM »
« Edited: June 18, 2010, 11:37:18 AM by Antonio V »

2 to November 1852
1 to June 1804

Imperial plebiscites suck (next are 1802 and 1851).

BTW, very nice poster Fab. Wink
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 12:07:08 PM »

Wow, this is a very difficult Survivor for a Luso-German Wink, But I will do my best.

After I read about this Referendums in Wikipedia I vote:

2   June 1804
1   June 1802
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 01:56:51 PM »

2 for July 1793
1 for September 1795 (An III constitution)
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 02:04:30 PM »

2 for July 1793
1 for September 1795 (An III constitution)
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 09:03:08 AM »



July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 mai 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe


Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 2 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you vote to eliminate 2 referendums and to keep 1 referendum (plus-minus rule).
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.

Beware !
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 09:05:58 AM »

Eliminate:

September 1795 (An III Constitution)
May 1815

Keep:

November 1852
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 12:38:01 PM »

Eliminate:

June 1802
June 1804

Keep:

May 1815
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 01:44:11 PM »

May 1815
September 1795 (An III constitution)

keep November 1852
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »

Eliminate November 1852 and June 1804

Keep September 1795
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 04:04:20 PM »

Eliminate
September 1795 (An III Constitution)
May 1815

Keep
June 1804
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2010, 02:19:00 AM »



July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 mai 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe


Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1
Round 2: September 1795 (An III Constit.) 2 (3 previous points), May 1815 2 (0 previous point), June 1804 1, June 1802 1, November 1852 -1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 2 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you have 5 points, to cast 2-2-1.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.

Beware !
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2010, 02:24:35 AM »

2 for May 1815
2 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
1 for June 1804
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2010, 08:54:23 AM »

2 for May 1815
2 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
1 for January 1800
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2010, 10:54:49 AM »

2   June 1802
2   June 1804
1   May 1815
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2010, 11:02:57 PM »

2 for May 1815
2 for June 1804
1 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2010, 02:46:37 AM »



July 1793 - "An I" constitution
September 1795 - "An III" constitution
September 1795 - "Two thirds" decree
January 1800 - "An VIII" constitution
June 1802 - Napoleon, consul for life
June 1804 - "An XII" constitution
May 1815 - Additional provision to Empire constitutions
20-21 December 1851 - Constitutional powers to Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte
21-22 November 1852 - Foundation of the 2nd Empire
8 mai 1870 - Constitutional draft of 20 April 1870
21 October 1945 - Constitutional powers to the Assembly
21 October 1945 - Provisional constitutional law
5 May 1946 - Constitutional draft of 19 April 1946
13 October 1946 - Constitution of the Fourth Republic
28 September 1958 - Constitution of the Fifth Republic
8 January 1961 - Self-determination in Algeria
8 April 1962 - Evian Treaty and Algeria's independence
28 October 1962 - Direct election of the President of the French Republic
27 April 1969 - Regional organization and Senate's reform
23 April 1972 - Enlargement of the European Communities
6 November 1988 - Self-determination in New Caledonia
20 September 1992 - Maastricht Treaty
24 September 2000 - Five-year presidential term
29 May 2005 - Constitutional Treaty of Europe


Results:
Round 1: July 1793 3, September 1795 (An III Constit.) 3, June 1804 3, November 1852 2, June 1802 1
Round 2: September 1795 (An III Constit.) 2 (3 previous points), May 1815 2 (0 previous point), June 1804 1, June 1802 1, November 1852 -1
Round 3: May 1815 7, September 1795 (2 thirds decree) 5, June 1804 5, June 1802 2, January 1800 1

Rules are different in each round: please read the rules before voting.
The referendum which receives the biggest total of votes or points is eliminated.
In case of a tie, the referendum which has received the biggest total of previous votes is eliminated.
In case of a new tie, I, Emperor-President of this survivor, decide which is eliminated.

ROUND 4 IS OPEN !

Beware !In this round, you have 6 points, to cast as you wish, with a maximum of 3 points for one referendum.
We'll eliminate 1 referendum.

Beware !
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2010, 02:52:37 AM »

3 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
1 for June 1804
1 for January 1800
1 for June 1802
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2010, 08:30:37 AM »

3 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
1 for June 1804
1 for January 1800
1 for 24 September 2000
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2010, 09:35:34 AM »

Ah... 24 September 2000 was a bad time for me: my father died 2 days before... But, still, I put my stupid "yes" vote in the ballot box...
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2010, 12:25:49 PM »

3 for September 1795 (2 thirds decree)
3 for June 1804
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2010, 12:47:15 PM »

2 to November 1852
2 to June 1804
1 to December 1851
1 to June 1802

What's so great with bonapartist plebiscites ?
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2010, 04:02:12 AM »


What's so great with bonapartist plebiscites ?

They looked a bit more like "real" elections (than mere "consultations" of the Revolution-Consulate period) and were quite original ways (for the time) to give legitimacy to an autocratic (but modernizing) regime.
"Césarisme démocratique" is a fascinating concept in constitutional law.
But Hash would be a better advocate of those plebiscites than me Wink.
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2010, 08:02:18 AM »

It's fascinating in some way. But it's also a quite hypocritical system of fake democracy. Being  approved by the people doesn't give legitimacy to do whatever you want, especially when there is no free speech and an intense propaganda. I don't hate the two empires, I think they gave many good things to the country, but this way of justifying dictatorship in the name of the people is very disturbing.
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